Why no Torrentz

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  1. clone

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    This is not a correct statement; but then a large percentage of this thread also needs some serious fact checking, because like this post, there is a lot of other BS and tinfoil hat stuff going on in it.

    1. Why peers can’t “inject” or modify files
    BitTorrent is built on cryptographic piece verification:

    • The original torrent creator defines the file and splits it into pieces
    • Each piece has a cryptographic hash (SHA-1 in classic torrents, sometimes stronger in newer systems)
    • Every time you download a piece, your client checks:
      • “Does this piece match the expected hash?”
    • If it doesn’t match, it is discarded immediately
    So even if a malicious peer sends you modified data:

    • It will not pass verification
    • It will not be saved as valid data
    • It will be re-requested from other peers
    There is no mechanism for a peer to “update” the official data set.

    2. What peers can do (and what people confuse this with)
    Peers can only:

    • Serve correct pieces they already have
    • Corrupt transmission (which gets rejected)
    • Attempt to flood you with bad data (waste bandwidth, not infect files)
    They cannot:

    • Change the torrent’s contents
    • Replace valid pieces with altered ones
    • “Patch in” malware into the shared dataset
    3. The real attack surface (important distinction)
    If a torrent is “legit” in the sense you mean (clean original upload), the only realistic risk is outside the integrity system, not inside it:

    A. Fake or bundled content from the uploader
    If the uploader includes malware inside the original files:

    • The hashes still match
    • The torrent system correctly distributes it
    • It spreads perfectly (because it is “valid” data)
    This is the main real-world risk.

    B. Post-download infection vectors
    Not the torrent itself, but the file:

    • Executables, installers, scripts, cracks, etc.
    • User runs them → infection happens locally
    C. Rare protocol-level issues
    Historically:

    • Some attacks target trackers, clients, or metadata injection
    • These do not rewrite file contents in a validated torrent swarm
    4. Why the system still works at scale
    The reason BitTorrent remains credible is exactly what you identified:

    • Integrity is enforced per piece
    • Peers are interchangeable but not authoritative
    • There is no “write permission” from the swarm
    • Only the original hash list defines truth
    If random peers could modify data, torrents would be unusable within minutes. The protocol was explicitly designed to prevent that.

    Bottom line
    No — in a correctly functioning torrent:

    • Random users cannot inject viruses into the shared file
    • They cannot alter or corrupt the official dataset in a lasting way
    • The only meaningful risk comes from the original source material itself, not from the swarm modifying it
    If you want, I can explain the exact “piece exchange + verification loop” step-by-step, because that’s where most people finally see why tampering just dies immediately in practice.

    Please stick to what you actually know about.
     
  2. ELJUNTADERO2022

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    if im not mistaken, this kinda happens with FitGirl realeases?
     
  3. saccamano

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    Probably 99.9% of public torrents are free from b.s., BUT you always scan them anyway for that fragment of a percent... This is what you have virus/malware scanners + common sense for, Right? There is the thing also that many scene releases that have proper patches included are cloaked in code obfuscating wrappers that false trigger a great many virus scanners. This makes it harder to detect the infected crap. Generally most wrapped patches (i.e. cracks) trigger heuristic virus scans with no real viral signature. This generally means that you have a false trigger instead of an actual maliciously injected piece of code. Many reputable release teams use CRC's to help the end user be able to verify code integrity. Repackaging voids CRC's however.

    Private torrent trackers like AN and RUT are perfectly fine for most anything since the content has been gone over thoroughly by the admins (or the suppliers) before placing the torrent. RUT does alter/re-package things sometimes to fit their modus operandi, but it's never in a way that messes with the content or the safety of end users. Unfortunately this voids the original release CRC if there was one.

    The problem with torrent on the sisite is seeding. Apparently in the past when torrent was actively used no one seeded and the torrents died quickly. How quickly? Probably about as fast as they die on nitroflare :dunno:Maybe a dedicated seed-box is in order? No idea how much that costs @ year but it would definitely remedy the dead torrent situation. The problem with that is you most likely end up with a situation like AN where there are DL ratios imposed which is a total crap deal for end users who maybe don't have a lot of bandwidth or computer cycles for that kind of thing. Which ends up making the site a pay site anyway ("dontations" get you around DL ratios, pffft) that is still more expensive than a debrid - using AN as a model.
     
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  4. PulseWave

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    Cybercriminals will exploit every security vulnerability to get their hands on money, passwords, and data—or simply to wreak havoc. I recently read just how many online accounts have been hacked. It’s no wonder, given passwords like "123456" or Wi-Fi networks spanning an entire connected home.
     
  5. saccamano

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    Or no passwords at all :no:
     
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    For criminals, it is a paradise for making a quick buck off other hard-working people. That stupidity is then punished severely.
     
  7. MindCtrlDel

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    hackers or crackers will find you anyway, even those claims from companies making new copy protections for games; they claim they can never crack this, and yeah, cracked it within 1 day. during my Xbox 360 days, i was playing texas hold'em. i was sitting alone at the table waiting for players to join. within a few seconds, someone joined. It was someone with a uk accent. suddenly he said i can see your cards to which i replied yeah right o which he said just watch so the cards were dealt, and guess what? the guy could just tell me what cards I had, time after time. still i didn't give up I just played the hand and even though he knew what cards i had i won time after time until he said good game and left.

    next story I also played a lot of FIFA back then against a friend of mine. one time we started a game the match began and i said to my friend, where are my players?" i looked at the roster and there were only 5 players on the field i went back to create a new game, and suddenly I only had goalkeepers with unknown names on my team, so I thought What's going on here? really crazy a team only has top 3 keepers right?

    computers sometimes do those crazy things more often that don't happen by themselves. another Xbox story, but this time with the series X i bought me a wheel because I also like playing racing games. one time i was sleeping on the couch i woke up in the middle of the night and my wheel suddenly started calibrating it normally only does that when you unplug the power or replug the USB cable. another crazy thing like that. there wasn't a power outage or anything either a few days later i woke up again at night and i heard the beep sound when you turn on the Xbox so I looked right away and saw that my Xbox just turned on out of nowhere i was out of range of my controller, so that wasn't it with pcs i know you have wake up on lan but Xboxes don't have that right? and does it? who wants to turn on my Xbox in the middle of the night?

    this is not everything that has happened to me in the years but if I have to go through all of that it will take me a while to tell it all here well, i’ve preached enough for today!
     
  8. Fluxxx

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    Many of those "no password" wifi networks are used for man in the middle attacks.
     
  9. clone

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    This was already answered, in that if an uploader chooses to include a torrent option, it is within the rules.

    The reasons why they don't include them are because there is no incentive for them to do it. If someone can get money, credits or vouchers, etc. by users downloading from free links and others using referral codes to support the uploaders; why would someone want to create an additional, and totally optional serving/sharing method that circumvents that? The consistent main uploaders are not doing all that work for fun, only to take their own incentives away, use their own bandwidth seeding, and the real security risks of creating torrents and hoping their VPN will not sell them straight down the river if confronted for information. There is almost 0 upside to including the torrent option for the uploaders.

    I'm not aware of why audiotools website disappeared, changed, etc. but almost all of their larger content links were torrent magnets. It's an example of them adding ads and banners, then adding an ad blocker, and so on. That is very directly related to "monetization", in the sense that secure hosting and bandwidth is not free. Covering operating expenses is not true profiteering.
     
  10. Stonewashed

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    you could also pay to use audionews
     
  11. DoubleTake

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    Go ahead- mention the name
     
  12. tvandlover

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    Torrentz are free so the only option for us poor. Stop scaremongering! Some poor people might have talent and will appreciate the ease of composition afforded by the latest technology. Compressing files is forbidden on the Russian site ( some do slip through) so you can see what you are getting before committing to the download. You can also look at the comments there as we do here. I have never had any trouble with downloads there just as with the sister site.
     
  13. DoubleTake

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    but that is FALSE, and anything you say BASED on that idea is based on something wrong.
    They are NOT trying to "take over your network".
    They are just after $$$$.
    They want YOU imbedded within their "ecosystem", and to that end, want your devices hooked into your network.
    They do not want to control your network. They only want to be in it.
     
  14. odod

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    remember this old terms? "Lamer or Leecher" ... what a time to be alive back in the old days
     
  15. saccamano

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    There's no point in it. All or Real debrid is a fraction of the cost of AN and has further uses as well as torrents. With sisite and a debrid you get any/everything you need (quickly) for a pittance compared to what it costs to "subscribe" to AN for an equal or even longer amount of time. For what it co$t for a debrid/sisite @ year you barely get a month of AN... Just ain't cost effective...
     
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    heavily active in the IRC warez scene all thru 90's to early 2000's... The channel floods/wars, K-lines, site/server bans, 1337-$p34k, and the wartime irc-scripts were all the rage back then... :) ahh. the good ol' daze...
     
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  17. westfinch

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    Hubris Hub was my goto in those days.
     
  18. Slavestate

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    Who does that? I'll be an AN member for 20 years exactly on the 30th of this month, y'all know you can have some patience and wait and sign up for free at the beginning of the month right?
     
  19. clone

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    I was just typing up a reply saying the exact same thing, and also about using it for free for 20 years without being painted into a corner and having to donate ever. I did donate once during the annual " 50% off holiday sale" but I realized buying new external drives was going to start getting expensive.
     
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