Do you live in Israel? If you don't you can't make that statement because it is not based on any previous experience, only conjecture. It is ludicrous to believe that a people that were killed en masse, thrown into concentration camps, ovens, etc. are out there trying to kill people because that's what they enjoy doing, you don't honestly believe that do you? I'm not saying they don't have their share of fault, what country is free of spilled blood?

 

Picture's speaks a thousand words Cat, No they don't enjoy the killings of the Palestinians...EDIT: The ones that are doing it love it

 

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Certainly less than the terrorists enjoy killing people. Pictures can lie if you don't understand the context in which they were taken. You are sitting in another country trying to act like you fully understand what it's like living in that environment.

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To me the context was the discussion and I simply made some distinctions. Like I said I really said all I wanted to say about this conflict because it will probably be going on in a decade anyway and I'm sure our conversation won't do anything to change that. If you ask me I think the main problem is there are too many damn people on this planet.

 

I was going to answer Cat first post but I saw you later expressed exactly my thoughts on how this whole endless war is perceived by both factions and is fueled also by ridiculous religious claims upon some piece of land (because here is a wall somwhere and there is the place where a prophet landed using a winged horse... I mean, seriously?). -.-
I am simply disgusted by all this shit who is going on for an entire century. Why? Because it's too damn easy to sit on a chair and sign/talk about someone else's death!
Instead of going to funerals to claim revenge, list reasons in a conference to justify pain and sorrow, I would force all these people involved, who simply are unable to realize what the word "war" truly means, to work an entire year on Médecins Sans Frontières or Emergency's hospitals and see all the good they are doing each single time they fire a rocket upon civilians. Maybe then they are able to develop a conscience. -.-

 

I havent lived over there yes that is true, i said it wrong let me correct myself, a "part" of the people over there love it. But why would i need that expierience in order to know if the number of civillian casualties at the other side is justful? If Hamas = Terrorist then whoever carried out these attacks on the Palestinian civillans are terrorists too.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmaxAsY0Zkk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txxJzxiTMpA

"If we don't end war, war will end us."

 

How can you write this?

 

I meant specifically the people that actually comit these crimes. My bad

 

People that commit these crimes as you wrote are actually defending the cititzens of Israel.
Please check the facts: Who started to launch some rockets on israeli populations last June? How long did you expect the israeli not to react? Did they have to wait some serious casualties?

And no, the israeli soldiers don't like to shoot innocent people. This is actually the ultimate dilema because if what you wrote was true, how long do you think it would take for Israel to wipe out Hamas and the whole Gaza strip: Two days? two hours?

Look at what's going on in Syria or Iraq just to compare.

 

How the hell can you turn a mass slaying of children/women into defence????? Those are crimes my friend and that those victim's were Palestinians makes it no different! If you're talking about fallen hamas soldiers i would call that defense yeah. And you're talking about firework rocket attacks from the other side. Did i ever say that those deeds are not wrong?? Does that make it right for Israel to launch America's latest gear onto civilized appartments and school right? So 2 wrongs make a right?? Oh yes and please dont come with the excuse that they warn them first

 

Not ALL Christians attend church or pay homage to idols or statues, kinda a blanket statement there. Just as ALL Israelis enjoy killing people, ALL Jews are Zionists or ALL Palestinians are terrorists is.

Not all people who have spiritual beliefs are "religious" either. It was religion that killed Jesus.

True followers of Christ, as well as being a VERY long way off of perfect, attempt to follow the precepts that He set out as being the way to the Father. That does NOT involve attending any thing other than a meeting of 2 or more people in His name.

Always cracks me up that so many are so quick to ridicule the Bible without having ever read, let alone studied it:

Proverbs 18:13 - He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

Be blessed.

 

And what about the bombings of the water supply recources. and energy central for electricity?? And preventing the palestinians from receiving consumptions? Defence huh

 

I`ll paraphrase the entire article as it would seem you don`t read very much!

"The introduction of the M-75 and Syrian-made M0302 missiles means Hamas boast offensive weapons with a longer range of up to 100 miles and a much greater explosive impact."

Whole article from The Telegraph

Deary deary me! *no*

 

"...to launch America's latest gear onto civilized appartments and school": I wonder why the IDF did that?

A little tip: Have a look at the following Wiki page and specifically at "Proximity to civilians during warfare" on this page.
Once done, we can continue our little "conversation".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Proximity_to_civilians_during_warfare

 

Proximity to civilians during warfare..The title says it all. So after all you think the innocent ones that get killed along in the process is justful right? Or that it couldnt been prevented?

 

Oh well wether it was firework or serious damaging rockets still doesn't change the point i was trying to make. You know i got the impression that you're a serious and practicing christian, i haven't read the bible at all but does it in someway predict this would happen or anything? So that anything that is happening over there makes sense to you?

 

Yes, it TOTALLY predicts that this will happen and that when other countries (Gog and Magog) join forces to invade Israel, the end times are upon us.

Funny that such a small country is at the center of the world stage at the minute. Also worth note, from a Biblical standpoint, God ordered the Israelites to destroy every man, woman, child and animal of the Canaanitess that were living in the promised land. This is one reason people struggle with a Creator God who would order such genocide. However, those who usually use this as a way of disputing the Bibles truth, are unaware that the Canaanite`s were of the Nephilim. The exact areas were Joshua and the Israelites did NOT wipe out all the Canaanite`s are the self same areas that are now causing ALL of these problems. Even without being a believer, that MUST interest you in some small way!

Do a quick search on Nephilim, the Bible is FULL of surprises.

"So they gave out to the sons of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, "The land through which we have gone, in spying it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight."

 

No Pilzy not all spiritual beliefs are religious but then they are called spiritual beliefs and not religious ones. If you call yourself a Christian it's because you're a follower of the Christian religion. The teachings of Christ are religious teachings. Spirituality has no allegiances to mythical constructs or dogma and if they do then it is religion.

 

Well in that case im not going to try to change your opininon nor discuss this matter further with you. Nothing wrong with your beliefs i respect it and i'm not going to judge. But you'll agree with whatever the Isrealites/Zionists are doing over there anyway lol. Have a great one Pilzy.

 

Every war starts in the human chest. War is an expression of self-betrayal. No argument can make a difference, no matter how reasonable or justified it appears, violence is never an option.
We all know history and the fact that we are incapable to learn of it. What else has to happen untill we question the hidden motivation behind our intentions.
The Israel/Palastine conflict is like a prototype of war, but still, we keep debating about right and wrong...

MHO