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Believe a lot, question nothing, accept everything

because the book "How to See Through Manipulation" didnt even exist

 

Thinking is permitted to all people, but many are spared the effort.

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe *1749 †1832
Poet and natural scientist

 

I understand people's dislike and distrust towards AI.
To be clear, I am a musician without AI. I Dont Need it as a crutch.
I play 14 instruments and have been making music and making money off my music for 20 years all across America.
I have come into a new appreciation for AI and perhaps its because I use it slightly different than most.
My workflow
1) I fed it about 150 songs of mine. And used that to create a persona from which it uses as a basis to draw its inspiration from.
2) I provide it with the music and ALL the lyrics.
3) I then generate probably 80-100 takes on a song.
4) from those I will take bits and pieces and form the basis for my song.
mind you the vocals it produces are very similar to mine. some of them sound just like me , others i have no problem emulating
because its basically deep faking myself.
5) Then I take what it gives me and go back to the studio and blend my voice with ai. sometimes its jst my voice sometimes its just AI. Most times its layered with both.
my aim is to create a seamless sound where AI and Human have melded and are indistinguishable.
sort of like new Simon and Garfunkel approach

Its definitely not a shortcut. It takes me forever to create a song using this process.
At the end of the day the product I have is undeniably mine and no one else.
Do I consider it "cheating" ? Well maybe a little.
Do I give a fuck? Nope.
Because what i produce sounds good, its unique and it is mine.
what it boils down to is I make music that I like. Simple as that. If other people like it great, but thats not my goal.
I like good music, always have. how it came to be is of little concern vs the finished product that I like.

So I will use any tool at my disposal to reach that goal. If i hear a song and like it and then afterwards find out it was 100% AI generated do I like it less? I dont know it hasn't happened yet. But I dont think I would.
See I think what most people's problem with it is ego.
We have all been regurgitating the same shit for decades and thats all AI is doing. Taking everything in and regurgitating something from what's already been done. It just does it better than most humans can.

 

And 100% people can’t tell the difference between a good and a bad song

 

Good songs are not actually good... the mental state is being mirrored for a person to feel safe.

That is why most people recognise eachother´s emotional state, not rational..

 

Up to this point I was able to follow you and understand what you are doing.

That's the crux of the matter and a huge flaw in your thinking. You believe and are convinced of what you're saying, but you're completely wrong. You're starting to think for others and condescendingly assume you know better, based on your own experiences with AI. That's understandable, but you don't respect people who have different opinions. I have to mention this point because I intend to stand my ground, no matter what.

People like you are extremely dangerous because they think they know what's good for us. Your last sentence is a prime example of the belief in and dependence on technology. Let me quote you again: "It just does it better than most people." You're unaware of the explosive potential in that sentence.

Sooner or later, machines will replace many human functions because AI is perfect. AI and robots don't need vacations, they don't make mistakes, they're never sick, and they work 24 hours a day. And if they're cheaper than human labor, they will partially replace us.
We've already discussed at length here what a society will look like when machines gain more and more power.

People will increasingly be transferred to machines and will steadily lose their own cognitive abilities. Even today, young people suffer from computer and concentration problems, as well as reading difficulties, due to smartphone misuse.

 

i dislike a.i music.. a.i makes some good songs but i dislike them. they are basically cheating in 10 seconds garbage.. it might sound good.. yes but the FACT its made by ai is another thing. nah honestly.. keep ai out of the music world..

 

Now I'm sad. OP made me sad.
And I had my fair share with that topic.
I lately stumbled upon a synthpop act I quite enjoyed.
No De/Vision, no Depeche Mode, but decent and enjoyable.
After a little digging I found out the act exists since Oct 2025 and has released about 40 albums since then.
So I'm asking myself is it because I'm an old fuck that I don't want this? Is this the same situation post war folks had with computers?
Or with samplers?
Is it 'move over old man the future belongs to the kids and AI'?
Or is this the dawn of mankind it seems to me?
I should have learned something proper. Landscaping or something. But I hate outside.

 

they like "human made" music by liking AI music, since AI isn't (yet) able of any sort of sui generi creation, it relies entirely on the datas fed to it. The music it makes is our music. If people don't like it, it probably says a lot more about the state of the music industry (a standarzised production like any other goods, in order to be desired by as many people as possible)....

 

Investors don't care how they make their money, as long as their investment yields a good return. That could be AI, a sugary drink, or toilets. Only the state can create the corresponding laws that everyone has to obey. The state is business- and AI-friendly, so little regulation from the state is to be expected.

 

You should try creating some programs with it. You will realize instantly how ignorant you sound right now. It sounds like you read soemthing about 3-5 years ago, and now think you know what you are talking about with someone else's little cute platitudes.

Completely ignorant. (and now_ignored).

 

Really ? Any new scale or improvement in music theory AI has made I haven't heard about ? Or anything new really ?

 

We humans have already invented so much music, so many musical styles and instruments, and we've been incredibly industrious. What we need are more people who learn or educate themselves. We humans are the creators ourselves, thanks to our creative spirit.

 

I disagree. I am not thinking for others at all. I am saying I make music for me.
I apologize if I offended you , But i wasn't trying to be condescending. And I believe its unfair to say I dont respect people who have different opinions. What did I say that implied that? I was simply offering my opinion and viewpoint and reasoning for it.
and you didnt really read into the statement that you quoted again
I said that AI is better at regurgitating what has already been done. I said nothing about creating NEW music. That will be why artists still have an opportunity and why the human element will remain essential.
I feel as though you have lumped me into some category and I assure you I do not fit any category lol
You had a whole lot of what seems like triggered emotional response to 1 sentence at the end of my post that was merely pointing out facts.
FACT: AI does regurgitate music that has already been produced.
FACT: AI does this better than human beings do

How that makes me dangerous or a declaration of my dependence on anything is a bit of a stretch at best. Stating something that is true doesn't even mean I condone it. But just because I dont agree or like something, doesn't make it less factual.

You said " I intend to stand my ground no matter what" That to me is the definition of someone who doesnt respect others opinions and is in fact a dangerous mindset. If we remain unwilling to accept the possibility that what we believe could be improved upon than all is truly lost imo.

 

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That's just how these kinds of discussions are; we're always vying for the best arguments, and debate is part of a democracy, because without debate, there is no democracy. We both have our viewpoints and certainly some common ground. I'm a proponent of free speech and listening. If I have offended them or they feel insulted, that was not my intention.

 

I think it’s far more complex than numbers and generated music.

Everything artistic is tied to personality, journey, instinct, knowledge, emotional understanding, and the creator’s vision. It always comes down to intention and decisions. Just like the enormous range of sounds and instruments available to everyone. One person will make a hit record from a sound you dismissed as garbage, a sample that sparked something for them that you would have ignored.

AI will generate an output. Depending on your level of knowledge, you may be impressed. If you actually know what you’re doing, you will immediately hear what is wrong and why it sounds average, possibly boring, and often lacking any commercial value. You can easily end up in the same place as with your own non-AI music that never went anywhere.

It is no different from having the budget to hire the best musicians and mixers and paying for a flawless professional master, only to end up with a bad song that excites no one and leads nowhere.

You might get lucky. But luck is not a system and it is not sustainable.

AI is a tool, not a substitute for talent, taste, or working on your craft. Anyone who understands that and is willing to put in the effort will outperform you, regardless of the tools at their disposal.

Get your a$$ back to work.

 

I asked for a black guitar with green electricity flowing on the inside.Obviously no one could play this safely. Pffft stupid AI trying to kill us see

 

91% of composers, publishers and producers think that physical media would be better for them than streaming, but put their content on streaming instead of selling CDs.

99% of them only do this because everyone else also does it.

those who can do math and those who don´t.

 

Thanks for your insightful contribution.

This leads us to the question: Is it all just one big business driven solely by money?
Because for most people, money is the motivation to work at all.

The logic of large corporations could perhaps be described as: "If we don't do it, someone else will...!"
Conclusion: As long as the average consumer plays along, nothing will change.