Wow, that was my record of negative ratings. I wonder if Foster someday got that amount of red cross on him lol

I'm sad. Only a wave of full working iLok3 releases could relief my pain

 

What happened to this guy? I remember years ago he was making many strange posts about music theory

 

Hello @Xupito and everyone else who has voiced their criticism of using AI to answer questions in this forum.

I've read all your criticisms and arguments, and you've convinced me to stop using AI.

So, as of today, there will be no more AI spoilers from me.

@Xupito, you can remove me from the ignore list now.

 

For America this may have been true for the country where sensationalism rules, but for Australia, NZ, UK and much of Europe, in the 20th Century, the stories that came from news outlets were the same mostly with only the level of detail being the differing factors. This does not include wartimes and propaganda machines where one was attempting to out-psych the other with bullshit.

How much bullshit do people want to swallow is the answer to that. If people do not want correct information and only lies or inaccuracies, then whatever shit they get in as a result, they totally deserve. If they are using anything as an accuracy source, the information should be correct. That is common sense and if you are pisstaking then I got sucked in.

 

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After a little more thought about it, there is absolutely 0 chance that someone who has been on my ignore list for 3 years since the day they signed up on here is going to affect 1 single word I type on this forum. Ignore me, please. You are not doing me any favors whatsoever by reading my posts. And trust me, after the entire 3 new threads I have created on here in more than that many years, I do not need you to read the 1 question I may pose over the next x number of years.

You should step up to the plate and correct something you see posted by someone.

 

We all have something to offer even if we all do not agree all of the time. I have no idea who and I'd rather not, I am sure they can read whoever it is you are referring to. Your truths are yours as are mine and everyone else's and that is honestly, great. It's what makes us all individuals.

 

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I'm interested to learn all these things that are "correct information" as opposed to all this "incorrect AI information". Perhaps we should hold all of the incorrect answers to the same standard? Because what I see is a lot of woo-woo from a bunch of users who never answer anything or try to help anyone at all. It's pretty easy to say this, that, and the other are incorrect with absolutely no correction of all these horrible erroneous posts. If someone is wrong about something, they are not going to learn anything either.

People answer things incorrectly every single day or every single thread would be a one and done kind of thing. Wouldn't they?

Just remember that the thread starter of this thread did so because I told someone that he had used an obviously AI sourced answer without marking it as such. This is literally the comment it took to get this little guy's feelings so hurt:

 

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Many users are employed; they simply don't have the time to be 100% informed. Many know perfectly well that they are sometimes lied to and read untruths.
The speed of the internet today is a speed that humans can neither keep up with nor are they as fast as AI. Every minute, all the world's news is fed into the internet. No sooner have you started looking into one topic than the next news item arrives. This speed didn't exist before the internet. You used to read your daily newspaper and feel reasonably informed.

What we have now is an information overload from all areas. But the brain isn't designed for this. You see smartphone addicts with their heads down, staring at the screen. Many people are overwhelmed and show signs of stress. Moderate internet use helps counteract this.

Since people always prefer convenience to hard work, the internet is precisely the medium for accessing information. The internet is paperless; you can click or click away. You no longer need to leave the house to buy a newspaper, saving you time and money.

Now AI is coming, and the temptation to use it is great, but you have to gain your own experience and get to know it.
Like any invention, technology always has its advantages and disadvantages.

Our forum is solely about the technical aspects of music, computers and hardware, as well as software and the problems that need solving. You read highly intelligent posts and utterly stupid ones, which is exactly how the world is out there. Lies and deception have always existed. There are notorious know-it-alls as well as users who spread misinformation.

 

The point is the reliance and trust that we are getting the correct information - from 'any' source, be it an outlet, A.I or another person, or a supposed factual document. Sure, there are things you know, I know and others through experience from doing the same things over and over again that are correct and when we see/read/hear something that is logistically impossible from having that experience, it is difficult not to do either one of two things, being to speak up or shudder and walk away.

I think your reply was good and enjoyed what you said because it shows in many ways the state of the world we now live in. It is difficult to know what is true anymore because we are fed so many things we have to critically think about whether any of it has merit. What is correct and what is incorrect? What is correct is the truth whatever that truth is, not the truth people want to hear. With so many unnamed people worldwide refusing to be fact-checked, is it any wonder it is near impossible to know what is correct, what is true, what is incorrect and what is a lie for a lot of people anymore?

 

There are a lot of really valid points in this.

Keep in mind as well and it is only a suggestion, that whatever we may think of anyone, whenever we do say something about what we think of another person or persons, it is a human failure we are all guilty of - being we often forget that there is an even probability they might think the exact same thing about us.

 

We also have two moderators here who can and should ensure that the rules are followed. We also have a click-based rating system, which is either used, not used, or misused. Nothing is as unpredictable as the weather and human behavior.

I've met people here who were warm and welcoming, and some who were completely rational and unemotional, just as I've met people with great ideas who shared genuinely new knowledge and perspectives. Likewise, there are those who don't understand what you write and insult you because you've disrupted their worldview. Then there's the typical self-promoter who only wants to see and hear themselves.

In conclusion: It will probably become increasingly difficult for all of us to distinguish truth from lies.
I hope that humanity and love don't fall by the wayside. That we continue to listen to each other.

We all have different reality tunnels.

This term describes the fact that we never truly come into contact with reality itself, but only with a symbolic representation of actual reality.
Each person's experience of reality is individual and unique. How one interacts with the world depends not only indirectly, but very concretely, on what one believes or considers to be true. One's upbringing plays a crucial role in this.

 

I often wonder how far behind AI is in terms of its knowledge. When I asked recently a technical question about a DAW that is currently available in version 15, I was told that this application had just been released in version 13. When I asked when this “latest” information came from, the AI said November 2, 2023. Another query concerned the ECB's interest rate development. The latest value known to the AI was from September 2024.
That wouldn't be so bad in itself, because of course other knowledge databases are not updated on a daily basis either. But their ingnorance is usually transparent. In contrast AI will hardly admit on its own that it doesn't know something or that its knowledge is outdated. Instead, it “hallucinates” invented, false facts and presents them in such a credible way that the unsuspecting questioner is often unaware that the information is actually untrue.

 

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I would be interested to know how you can tell whether a post was written with the help of AI or purely from your own knowledge.

 

Totally agree with individual and unique. The second point is people will believe what they wish to believe. And yes to the third to an extent, depending if that upbringing was negative or positive. There are documented people who completely turned their lives around against their upbringing too, just saying.

Part of communication is knowing that if you disrupt someone's world and refuse to try and walk in their shoes, it is very rare that they will accept it willingly. Being scholastically intelligent is only a very small part of communication. Refusing to acknowledge someone might simply have a differing point of view that does not agree with yours and the behaviour exhibited in many scenarios goes a lot further. I have found most people want only one thing. This one thing is whether they are right or wrong, to have the right to their own opinions. Freedom of thought is a beautiful thing as is freedom of speech, but sometimes, the thought never has to become speech.
Cheers

 

You’re talking about information overload, but once you start saying that truth is unknowable, you’re on a slippery slope. That kind of thinking is exactly what lets authoritarianism creep in or at least tilts culture toward the idea that truth isn’t truth. This is not 4 Seasons Landscaping.

Luckily for us, audio is different. Sound is measurable. It’s not relativity, it’s not quantum mechanics. The closest we get to changing physics is a developer inventing a new problem that their new plugin supposedly solves for the low normal price of $1,299, but $12.99 today only.

Slow today, because for just this typing test occasion, I am typing on a completely blank keyboard.

People still seem to think of AI as a replacement for Google. Put in a question and out pops an answer. And it can be used that way, but it is also a reasoning tool. It does not just give you an answer, it shows you the process of getting to the answer yourself. So will that be wrong sometimes? Of course. That is how you troubleshoot things. Did the new battery start your car? No? Maybe it's the starter or the alternator. You have to walk through the problem to figure it out.

I'd like to even see all these supposed AI generated incorrect answers to things other than actually troubleshooting non-working audio software or gear on here. Fair enough, BEAT has been trolling with absolutely inane answers to things for quite some time now. Why don't I complain about that too? Because if you do not like what someone has to say, put them on ignore.

There is way more important stuff to do with your time and comments than pussyfoot around the lowest common denominator. Like it or not, what we do is an offshoot of information technology, unless you are some acoustic musician or singer. But to claim self-righteously that "you" get to decide what technology is used and which are not simply isn't going to mean jack sh.t.

 

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Oh do not feel you are alone. some people I know play a very well-known game and they asked A.I. when the next season of the game started. The A.I replied the season finished on December 12, 2025 and the new season started the same day. It would be hilarious if that was not so incredibly wrong it is beyond believable that something could be that wrong speaking in past tense with a date that hasn't even happened yet.

 

Four eyes see more than two.

That's the beauty of discussion: you can hear and understand different viewpoints. Diversity instead of uniformity. When wise men and women come together and share all their knowledge and experience, they have a real chance of mastering life and its challenges. If everyone tries to solve problems alone, success is rather slim.

The goal of a forum is to exchange ideas, learn throughout life, and make optimal use of one's brain.

When young, inexperienced people ask us something here in the forum, they have a good chance of receiving a helpful answer based on the experience of musicians. If everyone always gives their best, everywhere, the world will be a better place.

Some here have FL Studio and make very simple music, while others, like you, have already released jazz records, have band experience, and play one or more instruments. Ultimately, it's music, and everyone can enrich the musical world or simply experience and listen to it.

 

ChatGPT kept recommending me to go to Bitwig/Preferences, I showed it screenshot that option doesn't exist, it confirmed and continued to offer me same advice, which is total hallucination anyways, thing made up whole feature, solution with paths, everything, it was simple question as how to change Bitwig themes, which was never possible internally anyways, let alone everything else it suggested and kept suggesting. So yeah, it was like talking to Foster about anything at that point.

 

And what has AI to do with this? It´s not your brain

 

I do not disagree with most, if not all of what you have just said here.

We all possess two notable flaws in our communication. Those flaws are not our fault either. They are two critical factors that would alleviate a lot of discussions from going the wrong way if these factors were met correctly.
1. The least, though still not working 100% correctly, is the language of origin barriers . As good as many translation services are, they still often get many things wrong. As a native English speaking person, one word if not read in the intended fashion can be completely misread as something it was never intended to be.
2. The most important fault - we cannot see each other's faces. If all of us on this forum were sitting around tables having discussions over food and drink, many of the discussions would be so much better. So immediately we know by the tone, volume, enthusiasm, and look on the person's face the true meaning of what they are saying. We do not have that luxury.

As I said to reiterate, it is no human being's fault.

I hear what you are saying but the way it works, it has come from a developer's brain. So they way it is programmed and what it puts out there is determined by the brain choices of its developers and where it lets the A.I glean its sources from. That's scary enough.