AI is slowly killing this and maybe every other forum!

Discussion in 'Ai for Music' started by RachProko, Dec 5, 2025 at 4:19 AM.

  1. Kate Middleton

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    a.i should not exists
     
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    Stories, songs, rituals, clay tablets, papyrus scrolls, manuscripts, books, pamphlets, journals, newspapers, radio, television, documentaries, search engines, online encyclopedias, databases, intelligent assistants, generative AI, ...

    So what?

    Where does our individual knowledge come from? Only from our own experience? Hardly. Are we only allowed to pass on as our knowledge what we have actually experienced ourselves? Hardly. But if we are allowed to pass on second-hand knowledge, which sources are permitted and which are prohibited? Who shall determine how we may acquire and pass on our knowledge? Isn't knowledge such a valuable commodity that the question of its origin is actually meaningless?

    The real danger to humanity is not knowledge, but is ignorance.

    (written without the use of AI)
     
  3. Somnambulist

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    Part of the issue is that there was a time when people understood exactly what fact was versus sensationalism, and a tool versus complete reliance. So they would go to an Encyclopedia or University document, or authorised factual document to find out.
    While they still exist, those documents even though accurate, cannot and will never update as fast as the developers work on A.I.

    As a small example hypothetically - If you wanted to know what happened with a remote volcanic eruption in a tiny town that happened yesterday, you have very few options but to rely on media or A.I. The Encyclopedias and factual documents will never keep up unfortunately. If someone asked the thread question regarding do we have our priorities in order? Then I would possibly consider saying no we do not.
     
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    I'm not quite so sure about that even if we are talking current events and encyclopedias. People have been fed propaganda forever to sway their minds to a particular ideology, usually through fear "of the other" to instill hate and foment anger, usually in the favor of a top 1% group of the wealthy.
     
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    Gemini can handle this :
    1. The Psychology Behind the "Fake Guru"
    From the perspective of the person posting, there is usually a mix of three selfish motivations:

    • The Dopamine of "Looking Smart": There is an immediate ego boost in posting a comprehensive, well-structured answer and receiving upvotes or "Thank yous." It validates their intelligence, even if that intelligence was borrowed.

    • The "Karma" Economy: On platforms like Reddit or Stack Overflow, high reputation scores grant status or ability (like posting in restricted subreddits). Using AI is the fastest way to farm this reputation without putting in the 10,000 hours of mastery.

    • Fear of Silence: Some people feel a compulsive need to participate in a conversation to feel included, even if they have zero value to add. AI gives them the script to participate.
    2. The Danger of the "Hallucination Loop"
    The biggest practical issue isn't just that it's annoying; it’s that it degrades the quality of information.

    The Core Problem: AI is trained on the average of the internet. It provides consensus, not insight.

    When someone copies a chatbot answer:

    1. They cannot verify accuracy: If they don't know the topic, they don't know if the AI is hallucinating (making things up).

    2. They miss the edge cases: A chatbot will give you the standard procedure. A human expert will tell you, "Technically you should do X, but in the field, we do Y because X causes the machine to jam." That nuance is lost.

    3. The Dead Internet Theory: Eventually, AI models will be trained on forum posts written by other AIs, creating a feedback loop of degrading quality—often called "model collapse."
    3. Why it feels like a betrayal
    We have an implicit social contract in forums: Sincerity.

    If I ask, "How do I fix this leaky pipe?" and you answer, I assume you are a person who knows about plumbing. If you are just a proxy for a database I could have queried myself, you are wasting my time and cluttering the thread. You are effectively "catfishing" the community intellectually.

    Summary
    There is no virtuous point to it. It is strictly vanity (looking smart) or greed (farming engagement/karma). It creates a "high noise, low signal" environment that drives actual experts away because they get tired of correcting confident, wrong robots.
     
  7. clone

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    So-called experts get stuff wrong every single day. In terms of plugins, do all these people comparing plugins in Plugin Doctor do so because they think the developers are just having some DSP fun by adding problems to their plugins? Does your DAW have a changelog a mile long because the programmers felt like adding some practical jokes that day?
     
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    That solely leads to people posting AI gibberish without even mentioning that it's AI. What is worse?

    Well then a lot of dumbasses must have been posting a pretty load of crap all night.
    (oh they actually did - and it's funny as sh¡t)

    edit: oops I forgot the link. bwaha, well, I'm just human.

    https://bsky.app/profile/gregjenner.bsky.social/post/3lnhxkdywzc2m
     
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    " You can't trust AI completely". It got the answers it spits out by reading information from humans. If it is wrong, it's generally because people have posted so much garbage, incorrect, biased, and completely unqualified information on the internet for 30 years. If you want someone to blame for mistakes, all you need to do is read some of the non-AI stuff posted right here to this very forum.

    "Trusting" computers is something people do every single day. The metal shavings that don't end up in your food? Computers. The car, plane, train, or other motor vehicle you put your life ins hands every time you ride in one? Maybe you should never check out the software called Solidworks which almost all manufacturing engineers use to setup machining on. One extra click by a careless engineer and that Boeing you are flying in has an extra hole CNC machined into some part in its engine.

    "It told me to use .3 seconds reverb, and it was actually supposed to be a delay! I knew these warehouse size datacenter supercomputers suck!"

    This sounds like boomers at some company where they spend so much time trying to discredit some newly hired employee that they invariably find themselves in the parking lot with their stuff in a box. That is the fear of AI. Plain and simple.
     
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