my frustration with AI-generated books

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  1. ghostwriter

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    I have noticed an increased number of music-related "AI books" flooding the sister site lately... I hate it.

    Obviously not the fact that it's there (me and others have only to thank for everything we have on the sister site), but that they exist in the first place.

    I dislike AI generated stuff in general (that tries to sell itself as serious content) - but AI-generated books hit a particular nerve, more than AI music or "art" or video... Imagine being so ignorant on a subject that you can't write a book on it, but being so malicious that you'd like to SELL said lack of knowledge to people who don't know any better?

    Like, is this what we have come to nowadays?
    We went from the masters of generalist knowledge being the norm ("generalist" = person who knew a lot about many subjects - people who were musicians, artists, philosophers and scientists all-in-one like Shakespeare, DaVinci and many others) to "experts" who can't write a single page of music theory without having to ask chatGPT for assistance?

    So much for "muh technological advancement"... If it kills your intellect in the long run, is it REALLY progress? If it's generating meaningless, unreliable text, is it really a "tool"? Or is it just some crap to sell ignorant executives the illusion that human thought and artistry can be replaced by a machine?
     
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  3. oFcAsHeEp

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    AI is destroying the ability to find human created works. Also AI slop is just horrible word salad in book format. Wastes so much time playing around with language, rarely ever getting to a cohesive point. I hate it.
     
  4. KORG3R

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    Ofcasheep sound like the nick i used to see on a croatian psytrance forum.

    But yeah, what a wierd situation with this AI thing, average human is unable to orient itself at all..i"m watching vids like production etc from mid 2000's, what a glorious period in technology overall.
     
  5. PulseWave

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    We live in the information age. The question is always, which information is important and true?

    Which information should you keep, delete, or ignore? Another question to ask yourself is, who is disseminating this information and for what purpose? You still decide for yourself what you want to read or not.

    Personally, I always look back at how I got my information before the internet: it was a daily newspaper, a TV program, and books. I also wonder how much time I spent reading and watching. And so, in this digital age of information overload, I try to keep my information searches short and concise. I usually only read the headlines, and if they are important articles, I read them as well.

    I've created bookmark folders for all topics so I can keep track and not lose my way.
     
  6. Rain Drum

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    You don't understand the point. We are getting flooded with AI slop. If you are not competent in a field, you won't be able to recognize if the information you are exposed to is "important and true". The whole point is that due to AI there is no obstacle anymore for your everyday grifter to hand out AI slop like hot cakes. With AI becoming better and better it will only get easier for them and harder for any potential recipient to differentiate between AI slop and a thought-out and revised human-made book that was created with intention and a goal in mind.

    Furthermore, growing up using LLMs like the current youth will lead to less critical thinking and media literacy. In the past, when you googled information, you had a lot of factors you could use in order to decide if presented information was trustworthy and useful. Does this site look trustworthy? Is this article well researched? Who is the author of this book? Might there be some agenda at play? This is completely obsolete when dealing with AI. I mean, most users of chatbots won't even know that chatbots hallucinate. They won't even know that every reply they get is a hallucination if you stick to the definition of how chatbots work. LLMs don't have a proper reasoning and understanding, it's all probability calculation.

    So, yeah... I totally get OP. It's wild west right now and we live in the age of the grifter. Monetize everything, sell shit to anyone, get your friends in multi-level-marketing and your family in to some pyramid scheme. As long as you make buck the end justifies the means.
     
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  7. Somnambulist

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    It is much worse than you think. Some schools and institutions are fighting almost a losing battle to get people learning to think for themselves.
    Some schools and institutions are actually allowing students to use A.I. to help (do) their assignments. If there was ever any doubt that many Universities and schools only care about 'bums-on-seats', this attitude is doing absolutely nothing to remove this doubt.

    People are now questioning the use of any University and the value of bothering to get any degree if A.I. is allowed to write for students. There is even talk of A.I. examining submissions that could well be done by another A.I. Someone actually suggested letting it into an examination room FFS.
    Any person that has a Bachelor, Master's or Doctorate awarded after 2023, any other person would be right to question whether they actually wrote or did any part of it themselves.
    It is tragic actually. There's enough disinformation, misinformation and doubt in the world already. The world doesn't really need any more.
     
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  8. PulseWave

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    You need to learn not to believe and read everything. Buy yourself a textbook on AI or what digital technology is doing or what it is. The crucial point is that you can't stop technological progress.
    Save yourself and don't read everything, be critical, question everything, and think for yourself.

    Put on the brakes, log off the internet, and think about what it all means and where it's all headed.
    Don't remain a victim; take control of your own life.
    Become the captain of your own ship, determine the course, and start saying no.

    It's possible that in a few years we'll be flooded with lies and misinformation.
    Only read information from websites you trust. Use your excellent brain. Belief is the enemy of knowledge.
     
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  9. PulseWave

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    There are 3 groups of people: The first group does something. The second group watches what the first group does, and the third group has no idea what's going on.

    Recommended Book

    For a critical examination of the digital world and strategies to counter AI's overreach, I recommend The AI Con: How to Fight Big Tech’s Hype and Create the Future We Want by Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna (published 2025). This book debunks the hype surrounding large language models (like those powering ChatGPT), exposing them as "giant plagiarism machines" trained on scraped data without consent. It critiques how AI perpetuates surveillance capitalism, erodes critical thinking (e.g., by summarizing search results in ways that hide source diversity), and widens power imbalances.

    Crucially, it offers actionable countermeasures: advocating for data rights, regulatory pushback against Big Tech, and community-driven tech alternatives that prioritize human agency over profit. Bender and Hanna, both AI researchers, blend sarcasm with rigorous analysis, making it accessible yet intellectually sharp—perfect for understanding AI's societal harms and building resistance.

    Protecting Yourself from AI-Generated Misinformation

    AI tools like deepfakes and generative models (e.g., diffusion-based image creators or LLMs) make misinformation harder to spot, as it now mimics reality convincingly—think fabricated videos influencing elections or viral fake news sites. While no method is foolproof, combining human vigilance with tech aids works best. Here's a step-by-step guide based on expert strategies:

    1. Verify the Source First: Always check the origin. Is it from a reputable outlet (e.g., established news like Reuters) or an unknown site/account? AI fakes often spread via unverified social media or domains mimicking real ones (e.g., "apnews.co" vs. apnews.com). Use tools like Google's reverse image search or TinEye for visuals.
    2. Spot AI Artifacts in Media:
      • Images/Videos: Look for inconsistencies like unnatural lighting, extra fingers, blurry edges on objects, or mismatched shadows—common in tools like Midjourney or Sora. Audio deepfakes may have robotic pauses or mismatched lip-sync.
      • Text: Hallucinations (fabricated facts) appear as overly generic phrasing or invented citations. Cross-check claims with multiple sources.
      • Test yourself: Use MIT's Detect Fakes project (detectfakes.mit.edu) for interactive training on spotting deepfakes.
    3. Leverage Detection Tools:
      • AI Detectors: Hive Moderation or Illuminarty for images/text; Deepware Scanner for videos. Platforms like TikTok and Meta now label AI content.
      • Fact-Checkers: Snopes, FactCheck.org, or PolitiFact for claims; NewsGuard for site ratings.
      • Pro Tip: Enable browser extensions like NewsGuard or Google's "About this result" for context on search snippets.
    4. Build Habits and Use AI Defensively:
      • Pause before sharing: Ask, "Does this align with known facts? What's the intent?"
      • Diversify inputs: Avoid echo chambers; follow varied sources.
      • Advocate: Support standards like C2PA (content provenance) for watermarked media.
      • For organizations: Implement retrieval-augmented generation (RAG) in AI tools to ground outputs in verified data, reducing hallucinations.
    By starting with source scrutiny and practicing detection, you reduce vulnerability—experts estimate this cuts exposure by 50-70%. Remember, AI can also fight back: Tools like those from the World Economic Forum analyze patterns to flag fakes proactively. Stay skeptical, but not paralyzed; informed action is the best counter. If you'd like more tailored recs (e.g., on specific AI ethics), just ask!
     
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  10. Somnambulist

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    Remember - everyone knows something. It is a very high likelihood that everyone knows at least one thing that an A.I does not.
    That could be anything from the time early in the morning that you wake up to go for a piss to a concept you have been working on that you have told nobody about.
    A.I. has its uses, as a tool only. When a person stops using the brain they were given and relies only on a machine to generate responses that they can find themselves or they cease being bothered to write their own responses, they need to do a reality check on themselves.
    As you all were :)
     
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  11. Fluxxx

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    AI generated stuff can be OK in the right circumstances. I have played around with ComfyUI generating pictures using the Flux Dev Model, then converting those pictures into video using Wan 2.2 image to video model. On the audio side of things, I have attempted to clone voices but Ive found it to be quite tedious, gave up in the end lol. Never attempted to create any sort of music with it, I dont intend to either.

    Its good to be curious though.
     
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  12. Demloc

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    Slackers and sloppers has been always around. Now the have a tool that allows them to appear competent in the surface. But It's also a tool with a huge disruption power on the labor force as we have never seen since the Industrial Revolution. So AI slop books, for me, are going to be a minor nuisance in comparison for what's to come.

    On the other hand, that thing that kills your intellect and such. I totally disagree, cause let's be honest, the vast majority of Ai model users didn't have a lot of "intellect" to begin with. Is the same amount of intellect as before just difussion model fueled, hence the flood of slop. But other people do have intellect and are pushing the boundaries of this technology and we will see a new media/formats and quality art expressions through it that we can't imagine right now. As it happened with photography, cinema, videogames and any other tech fueled improvement on the arts in human history.
     
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    Which books are these?
     
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    Says person who post AI answer without verification of topic, it just shows how people get dumber day by day. AI is still unreliable
     
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    Do you remember the invention of the car? Before that, there were only horses. What a change! In the beginning, people were run over and killed. Then rules, signs, and driver's licenses were introduced to reduce the amount of damage and fatalities. Should we give up cars because people are dying? Of course not. We just have to be more careful when driving.

    Smartphones and AI come without rules, and we're slowly realizing that we need to regulate them legally to prevent things from getting out of hand. Technology always has advantages and disadvantages. Learn about it to understand it. Most people are either too lazy to think critically or a bit naive and are then negatively surprised by AI. In the worst case, they don't even realize they've become slavishly dependent on their smartphones and AI. Proper handling and knowledge about AI will allow it to help you solve problems or simply organize the accumulated human knowledge.
     
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    Delegating the spark of creativity
    To a lifeless corporation's
    Self generating algorithm
    Is the death of humanity,
    Suicide....and is akin to
    dc al fine
     
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  17. PulseWave

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    Humans themselves lie, twist facts, and falsify history. It's up to us and lawmakers to establish rules for AI. Furthermore, every AI-generated contribution should be clearly marked as such.
     
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    History = his story
     
  19. U.O.L.

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    No, you don't seem to understand.
    First of all... I also use AI for some things and know how helpful it can be. The emphasis is clearly on “can.” It's like any tool that can be a blessing in the right hands when used correctly/appropriately. In the wrong hands, however—whether through carelessness, greed, malice, power interests, etc.—it can be useless, burdensome, and/or even dangerous for the “average population” (e.g., by deliberately generating opinions among the population through fake news).
    The big problem here is the sheer volume. Generative AI lowers the technical and time barriers to producing massive amounts of text, fake articles, fake studies, manipulated social media posts, or even deepfakes. The mix of automation, seemingly human language, and easy access makes it easier than ever for targeted manipulation — whether politically or financially motivated, trolling, etc.
    “The number of unreported cases of synthetically generated content is probably high: many AI posts and fake accounts are not recognizable as such — detection is difficult. According to a recent study, even experienced annotators are often no better than random chance at identifying AI bots.” (Quote: Chat GPT)

    Even many scientists complain that relevant and accurate information is becoming increasingly difficult to find/identify due to “fake content noise.” All of this wastes resources (time, personnel, and money) and is also dangerous for societies, as it is often becoming increasingly difficult to separate false information from accurate information.
    Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
     
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    First of all, they know that the world is not a lawless space.
    Even the European Union has already enacted an AI law for Europe.

    AI Law: The First Regulation of Artificial Intelligence

    The use of artificial intelligence in the EU is regulated by the Artificial Intelligence Regulation, the world's first comprehensive AI law. Learn how it protects you.

    Table of Contents

    - AI Regulation in Europe: The First Comprehensive Legal Framework
    - What Parliament Expected from AI Legislation
    - Artificial Intelligence Regulation: A Risk-Based Approach
    - Transparency Requirements
    - Fostering AI Innovation and Start-ups in Europe
    - Implementation
    - Timetable for Implementing the Artificial Intelligence Regulation
    - More on the EU's Digital Action

    Source: www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/de/article/20230601STO93804/ki-gesetz-erste-regulierung-der-kunstlichen-intelligenz

    Let me tell you what's dangerous on this planet:

    People who are criminals and harm others, people who kidnap and torture their fellow human beings, people who poison their food and environment; people who wage wars against others, and in the end, AI is also in the line, which, just like the previous types of people, will lie to and deceive you.

    The question is, what are they doing about it? What is the legislature doing about it? What if the legislature doesn't offer sufficient protection? Will they be intelligent enough to see through the game and take the right countermeasures?
     
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