It's interestingly ironic that the one who overall spews the MOST useless "AI" b.s. in this forum is the now complaining the most about that very same "AI".

I will say this once more as well... The "AI" that everyone calls "AI" is NOT actually REAL artificial intelligence anyway. They are simply kiosks of stored algorithms that interpret keywords that are logically matched to other keywords to form responses. Same thing with the "generated AI music". Just pieces of rando audio collected from "the internet" (or uranus) stitched together in a fashion to mimic pre-programmed genre specifications. PRE-PROGRAMMED <> Intelligence. THIS IS NOT ARTIFICAL INTELLIGENCE OF ANY SORT.

Smart algorithms that logically match one thing to another is simply that - algorithms. Nothing more, nothing less. When your "AI" starts talking back and making sense with thought patterns all of its own then come back and talk about "intelligence". Until then it's all just programmed b.s..

 

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As always, you have little to no clue what you are talking about. I can't read "keep every DAW computer offline " computer security™ guy and not have a laugh myself.

There’s a whole new crowd of people online, especially here the “I’m smarter than AI” guys — who keep acting like their little 130-ish IQ or whatever magically grants them deep technical insight into systems they have absolutely zero understanding of. They think they can nitpick a single tiny detail in a 99% correct answer and that somehow proves the machine is dumb and they’re brilliant. It just screams insecurity, usually after some bad outcome. Meanwhile the people building machines and writing programs that write other programs are lightyears ahead of them, and they don’t even realize how far behind they are.

You can talk "only" session based AI, persistent AI, "agentic" AI, interaction aware systems, all the stuff that’s actually happening but these people behind the posts don’t know the vocabulary, let alone the implications. They fire off these cute little gotcha posts thinking they’re exposing some grand flaw. All you’re doing is broadcasting how little you seem capable of understanding.

While we're at it, you’ve got the musician guy not worth naming bragging about “adversarially poisoning” his own music like he’s some mastermind sabotaging ultra-large-scale models. He’s acting like adding a little sprinkle of noise to his WAV files is going to outsmart AI running on computers the size of Walmart distribution centers. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so moronic. This is the same type of person who gets on YouTube playing tech expert, and then their own setup exposes them as BOOBLESS. But they still puff their chest and talk like they’ve cracked the code on how to “beat AI.” All the while, fools watch videos about it to line his pockets.

Do these people honestly think they’re going to outsmart a machine backed by a warehouse of GPUs because they watched a couple technical videos and know how to change their plugin folder? They don’t understand the tech, the scale. They don’t even understand the questions they should be asking. They just talk loud enough that they convince themselves they are geniuses while they try to figure out how to configure a software firewall.

 

Most musician makes most of their money through live performance. AI can never do that

 

That has nothing to do with record labels and music producers; unless of course, you want to count all the artists not playing anywhere because no-one has heard of them without their labels money behind them.

 

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Along a long enough timeline, no one/nothing is safe from obsolescence in our current scenario. This has* to be an all or nothing thing (AI usage/adoption). If the questions you're asking aren't already making that assumption (meaning the 'nothing' side) and therefore, aren't onto pondering how in the world the average human will become willing to make legit hard sacrifices and harden against any longing for convenience whatsoever, otherwise face eventual legitimate doom, you're playing yourself.

 

I heard, already 1/3 of all uploaded songs to steaming services now is AI generated! I think streaming services will continue to be flooded even more? Because anyone can write a song now with just inputting a few lines of text. The big question is; where will it end? And will it ever end?
I suspect at some point we will have some sort of AI incest implosion? When it's done compiling existing music and just can't think of anything else to create?

There's are also projects going on like Ben Jordan

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to create streams that cannot be detected by AI? But how long will it take before AI can also detect these?

But lets be honest? Most popular music already sounded like it was created by one I(ntelligence) for years already? It probably started with using existing samples and was further exploited with stuff like Auto-tune on voices. From that point on the only thing that made the difference was the artists marketing and extinguishing themselves via video.

The future seems highly uncertain for musicians and producers and I think no one can surely say where it will go?

 

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If AI can write better music than any of you why would i want to hear yours, i love great new music und anyhoo what's to stop you using the same tools to craft your own hit.

Why concern yourself with something out of your control ask your bad self this.

Have i written anything worth stealing? Is my style easily copied? Have i even got an individual style?

Those who fear AI are not competent songwriters or they'd know it's never gonna happen, cos for starters AI needs human input ...

You all know, any fool can write a song, or this ol' fool wouldn't be able too, but writing a good song, a great song is something else, how could AI craft say, a Beatles song when McCartney can't even do one.

So yes AI can craft a song made up of everything it has been given, me too, but my strength, human strength, is more about what i deem crap how can AI possibly sift thru the useless debris unless i tell it what's hot und what's not cos, if my music's any good its cos of what i SELECTIVELY listened to as a yoof or perhaps more importantly, what i didn't listen too, AI has all the crap stuff stored beside the great stuff that will surface in it's songs, i've yet to write a bad song, partly cos i know what a bad one is, does AI?

 

Oh yes... Here's the "voice of reason" once again. pffft.. A lot of words but saying basically nothing. The computer genius who runs his little apple computer and thinks no one else can match the amazing intellect gleaned by passing basic computer cert tests. Tests that probably every one here including myself passed when they were in high school. We must all listen because this gospel comes down from the superior mind and intellect, and all us little people are required to bow down to the almighty apple geek. yeah... no..get over yourself, I know I have...

 

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Guys, guys. Calm down.

There are men today who prefer the company of sex dolls and who can't be excited enough for the arrival of AI powered realistic sex robots.

You really think music is more important than sex ? Is that why this forum is called audiosex, and not sexaudio ???

(I mean, obviously, to me music = sex = god, but I'm talking about the plebs)

 

Well personally not in the production game for the cash, always been a fun hobby - I just share my music with mates and djs. Even if AI didnt exist, clubs are closing down left right and center these days. Apparently the kids barely go clubbing anymore, therefore the type of music I typically produce is less likely to get bought, and that would be a problem if money was my motivation (which it isnt as stated earlier).

Add AI into the mix? Well my understanding is saturating the market with AI content can influence negatively the way ppl get paid at least on spotify, but I haven't done too much research on the subject lol... Apparently theres another issue with AI, where its being used to determine if someone is using the same sounds as you lol, and then flagging your content for copyright. Or maybe I misunderstood that venus theory vid on youtube.

 

Think of IA as being / becoming the sum of all human knowledge, capabilities and yes, creativity.
There's no way an indiviual can truly compete with this, when looking at digitally created end products.

And why should they? Already now, IA is producing amazing things, from music composition and production to research for new medications like cancer and Alzheimer treatments.

To be honest, some of the best music I've heard latetly was actually wholy or partially IA generated.
Of course, a musician or band playing live 'for real' will probably always be appreciated, still plenty of opportunities for talented people.
Area's where IA faces tough competition, at least for the time being, are e.g. orchestral movie or gaming scores.
Listen & look for example to Anne Katrin Dern's work, IA will have a very hard time producing sound tracks of this complexity and quality.
It's not all doom for us...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBqvaJfJ8nfP58vyzLMDSaA

 

Don't worry guys. According to another thread, once Pro Tools and UAD arrive on the scene, we'll all get lucrative recording contracts, win Grammy's and conquer AI.

 

As long as the masses buy their music products, nothing will change.

The big tech companies are all based in the US and have long since taken over global dominance. China is bravely resisting and has, in some cases, developed its own platforms. So the battle for supremacy is between America and China.

The EU (European Union) passed a law for the European Union in 2024:

EU AI Act: first regulation on artificial intelligence

The use of artificial intelligence in the EU is regulated by the AI Act, the world’s first comprehensive AI law.
Find out how it protects you.

Published: 08-06-2023 Last updated: 19-02-2025

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topi...t-first-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence

German Language: /www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/de/article/20230601STO93804/ki-gesetz-erste-regulierung-der-kunstlichen-intelligenz

 

I think you're not seeing the big picture,
record labels are the ones becoming obsolete, because literally anyone (end user) can generate infinite amount of slop, without burden of licensing, copyrights etc.. if I had a restaurant, barber, pub etc.. I'd totally play random slop to save bunch of money those copyright extortion thieves are asking every month,
tech companies are the ones making money, I guess you can call it techno-feudalism

 

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- "Googling"
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- Deepfakes
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guess what? If the label goes full AI music then those artist are going to be in demand as there will be less live performances from big labels as they will no longer have real artist anymore that can perform live.

 

Same here. Music is a hobby to me so even if no one listen to my music, i will be fine

 

As soon as they can get away with it (some already are). Just like AI in the software engineering field - it allows reduction of work force since the senior professionals can do more with less. At the top tier, humans will still be working, but less helpers, less collaboration, more automation. I have already seen proof of concept where sorround sound mixing can be automated by tracking images in footage relative tothe scene.

Ironically, we are in a time where more people want to do what they "love" and less about "what provides for family". Its an interesting phenomena because automation is shrinking the amount of sustainable options. Multimedia is especially at risk now, yet people are sticking to their dreams.

 

Big buisness know how to keep their buisness alive...
The Record label (The major one) have start their mutation...
In my opinion for the worst...


https://www.wmg.com/news/warner-music-group-and-suno-forge-groundbreaking-partnership

That said, i fully agree with you about " techno-feudalism "...

But i don't really get your point about the copyright...

The copyright system is far from perfect, but even if the artists should be paid more, it still allows them to earn income beyond record sales and concerts.

It's strange to put yourself in the shoes of a bar owner rather than a musician in this discussion.
It's a bit off topic.

What's more, there are easy ways to play high-quality music in a public place, such as for exemple music under Creative Commons licenses.

 

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The Major company just have to create " Idol " like in K.Pop...

In Japan you have already concert with hologram with artists created by " Vocaloid ".

https://vocaloid.fandom.com/wiki/Musical_events

https://mikuexpo.com/