Put AI in a box and flush the toilet,

that's it, we are now free.

 

I'll let David answer :

 

i'm afraid that people like Musk, Zuckerberg & such don't give a fuck about Gema or other kind of rules & law...
Take a look at "youtube" , They sat on copyright and all copyright societies, regardless of the country. They imposed their rules, their revenues,in short, they imposed their model.
And we all use youtube.

 

Ultimately, the rule of law prevails. The other side has a lot of money and the best lawyers, but sometimes even they have to bow to the rule of law. These are all monopolies; the only thing that can help is a YouTube alternative, but that won't be able to prevail.

Take " www.bitchute.com "

BitChute is a video portal based on the BitTorrent protocol.
It is primarily used by video producers whose channels have been deleted or demonetized by established platforms like YouTube.

 

Well, let's say 99.99% of all self proclaimed 'producers' and 'beatmakers' were made utterly redundant along with the midi pack charlatans. Who would shed a tear? Who might benefit from this culling of mediocre crud?

 

I like the idea.
But, i'm afraid the toilets are blocked...
I'm trying to impose two days without internet per week on myself, which is really not easy to stick to.

 

AI is garbage as well as 95% of so-called producers who in my opinion, as a performing musician of over 65 years, they now F*ck up the sound make the recordings sound so artificial, nothing that can be replicated live without tons of gear, backing tracks etc.. It makes performers lazy, stupid and fake. The majority of musicians that I did sessions with were seasoned performers and have the same opinions on overproduced recording, we all had our own personal and individual sound which is the reason why we were hired in the first place.

 

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give a link to five songs from the 0,01%...it will help us to have a good taste...and to know your taste...

 

ChatGPT steals song lyrics: GEMA wins against OpenAI in court

Because ChatGPT knows the lyrics to nine well-known songs, the Munich Regional Court has ruled that it infringes copyright. The verdict could have far-reaching consequences.

The Munich Regional Court has put the brakes on AI market leader OpenAI and its flagship product ChatGPT. The US corporation's use of song lyrics violates copyright law, according to the judges. They largely upheld a lawsuit filed by the German collecting society GEMA, which specifically sued over nine songs – including well-known titles such as "Männer" by Herbert Grönemeyer, "Über den Wolken" by Reinhard Mey, "In der Weihnachtsbäckerei" by Rolf Zuckowski, and "Atemlos," which, while primarily known in Helene Fischer's version, has lyrics by Kristina Bach. The ruling is not yet legally binding.

The lyrics were used to train ChatGPT and were returned exactly, or at least very closely, in response to simple queries to the system. The court interpreted this as proof that the lyrics had been stored in OpenAI's systems.

 

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They trained their AIs on stolen material (including porn, wow: Meta Says the 2,400 'Adult Movies' They Torrented Were for Personal Use, Not Training AI ). The funny part is that at some point they have to raise the prices of subscriptions since now it is funded by investments. Stealing content and then charging subscription price, I don't know how aren't they get sued to the ground.

 

I love the musicians amongst us who complain about producers using computers and turn around and greedily download tens of thousands of dollars of cracked instrumental plugins telling themselves they are any better than the other "sample thieves".

At some point soon, AI will be able to crank out anything you are making or playing too. Wether it is orchestral scoring, making Blanco Brown sound like a white guy for a "country" hit, some lady who can't sing being Xania Monet getting million dollar deals, and anything else you can imagine.

The original question is valid, and if you think puffing up your music's importance in your own mind, and insulting others is going to help, good luck with that. Enjoy your day job.

 

Da werden sich der Rolf und der Reinhardt bestimmt drüber freuen, dass denen eine Organisation hilft.

 

Fucking hell, we are discussing the absolute wipe out that the "non-state" "non-socialist" industry is going to do with the substent of so many but there is always room to critic something to socialism, right?

Yes, they created so many great albums, one of them was the most sold album of world music in the history (Buena Vista Club Social 1997), but also they created venerated cult albums like the Polish Jazz series from Polskie Nagrania Muza, and many, many others, with Grammys and internationl awards all over the place, so while you do a little research to educate yourself, please keep your uninformed political opinion out of this forum.

Cheers!

 

more like when will labels become useless to the producer

 

I feel sorry for the young people. But IMO at that point it doesn't really matter anymore, because as long as Spotify a.o. are allowed to structure the payout mechanism in the way it is done to shovel all money to a label oligopoly and a dozen of artists they decided upon, there is no future for artists in the music biz anyway.

 

is there an AI I can outsource my music listening to yet? it takes a lot of effort

 

I use A.I.. but not for music. i use it for knowledge and other entertainment purposes

i think using ai is cheating. its not YOU who produces music. its ai generated. this is quite bad because anyone can do it. A.I is very new now and it seems its everywhere. i dislike it sometimes.. vocalists are in for competition because now a.i can do the voice of taylor swift and that means alot of trouble for taylor swift..

 

Yes, of course, Buena Vista Social Club wouldn’t have happened without Fidel Castro taking them under his wing and pouring money into them. Are you serious? The truth is, the Social Club wouldn’t have been known beyond the local scene if it hadn’t been for Ry Cooder, Nick Gold, and the commercial interest in “world music” at that time. So, before lecturing somebody so rudely, try to familiarise yourself with the subject.

There’s no need to get triggered; it wasn’t me who included “woke” BS in the discussion, which was completely unrelated to politics.

You named some exceptions, of which there are only a few. Try to name, off the top of your head, the albums released in the largest socialist state, the USSR, where all the musicians were under state support — albums which influenced at least something, if it’s not classical music. And compare that to the number of albums released in capitalist countries from 1950 to the present day.

If you didn’t grasp the point of my message, I’ll tell you straight: there is no correlation between the political–economic system, state support, and the ability to produce worthwhile art and cultural works.

And just for the record, I would also mock anyone who says that only so called capitalism, with all its peculiarities, is capable of producing meaningful art.

 

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All the expressed opinions for and against computer created music really comes down to one truth if a massive calamity happened and all electronics and computers components were wiped out real musicians would be unaffected orchestras, pianists, guitarists and any musicians that do not need technology could still perform old technologies and valve amplification is unaffected, Yes I use VSTi's and PC technology but for my personal pleasure not to make money, I do not have to rely on tech at all to be able to perform and do live session work.

 

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