Germany's PRO GEMA wins landmark ruling against OpenAI over ChatGPT's use of copyrighted material

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  1. Somnambulist

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    On a side-note with A.I - I wanted to see if it lies. It does, both by omission and by a lack of pre-emptive developer input. ChaptGPT, Gemini and others are exactly the same try it for yourselves. Firefly paid however, has more options in some ways for images. The music aspects in GPT, Suno and elsewhere needed a kick up the rear.

    Brief BG:
    1. I designed a wallpaper 1920x1080 and asked the A.I if it could make an Ultra widescreen 5120x1440, it said it could clearly.
    2. I asked it to make the wallpaper Ultra widescreen - It failed.
    3. I responded that it said it could do Ultra widescreen and did not. It apologized and said it would do it properly and again FAILED.
    4. At the risk of being permanently banned, I abused the crap out of it and called it a moronic fucktard who completely ignored and blatantly lied to me - It apologized and said it did ignore me and would try again - it failed.
    5. This time I outright said it was misleading people and lying and perhaps it would prefer if I posted everywhere on Social media that it was an imbecilic, ignorant and incompetent cowboy who ignores everything its clients asked of it and did its own thing.
    6. It then came back and patronized me again and apologized again that it has restrictions that prevented it from doing Ultra widescreen wallpapers.
    7. I told it to STFU and take itself offline until it can learn not to alienate its patrons and tell the truth when asked.. It's response? "Understood".
    :rofl:


    MUSIC: - Has anyone listened closely? The voices are pretty close to real but the music is total SHIT if you know how to play an instrument. In many cases, at least one instrument does not sound real, no matter the instrument combinations. It's still not up to par.
    Sue the fuck out of them until it can create without stealing.
     
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  2. PulseWave

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    What a surprising dialogue with a machine.
     
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    If graphical artist and other creative collectives had provide themselves with the same organizations as the music industry in the past they would have more leverage, organization and structure to fight these tech thieves now.
     
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    Exactly!

    Today, everyone's working alone in front of their home computer. Model: Lone wolves in the music jungle.

    When you asked people about starting a union, they were a) overwhelmed, b) too expensive, and most didn't even know what a union was or what it did! Today, the big corporations call the shots. Of course, you can do a lot regionally, but that requires so-called "doers."
     
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    GEMA collects license fees for all copyright societies in Germany, including VG Wort & Bild.
     
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  6. Somnambulist

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    You cannot fire it. You cannot take it offline. It will not change until the dev's change whatever they decide to change.

    If the same machine makes the same mistake over, and over, and over again, it's a moron and a liar when it says it can do it.

    Some people believe it learns. within reason this is true. It is designed to interact as a human and it cannot. It also has the understanding of a robot only not a human. However, and I have proven this time and time again, its mandate is dictated by the developer. It may well learn but if they do not change its ability to adapt by doing updates to allow that learning, then basically, it really hasn't learned anything.

    So people complaining about music, in one year it still hasn't learned - sounds instrumentally exactly like what it is - a machine. That said, the vocals are quite impressive. People that think it sounds real must be shit musicians or people who know very little about music, have done very little live playing or real studio recording not just their home 'puter, or no ear training, or cannot play anything other than sequencing on a computer.
    It will probably be perfect for advertising agencies.
    From every musician that can truly play an instrument really well - splicing loops together doesn't make you a musician it makes you an editor. Playing an instrument without aid from a computer makes you a musician. If you can do both separately and together, then bonus - you are a musician and an editor.
     
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