it is a simple process of elimination. They are looking at was has been done already, and then looking at the remainder.

There are not many other developers left with nearly as many solid plugins. Native would be about 60 plugins. Maybe someone can remember something hardware specific external dsp they have done, but I do not. So this leaves a very small number of remaining developers they can guess from.

Because I still think they mentioned saving money for pokemon balls for a reason; I had GPT make a table of devs and products that have their own expansion content ecosystem going:

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Comprehensive Audio Software Catalog with Ecosystem Sizes

Software Type Expansion Source Ecosystem Size
Ableton Live DAW Official + 3rd-party Large
FL Studio DAW Official + 3rd-party Large
Reason DAW Official + 3rd-party Large
Cubase / Nuendo DAW Official + 3rd-party Large
Studio One DAW Official + 3rd-party Large
Bitwig DAW Mostly 3rd-party Medium
Logic Pro DAW 3rd-party only Medium
Digital Performer DAW Mostly 3rd-party Medium
Kontakt Sampler Official + 3rd-party Huge
HALion Sampler Official + 3rd-party Large
UVI Falcon Sampler Official + 3rd-party Large
SampleTank Sampler Official + 3rd-party Large
Structure Sampler Official Medium
TX16Wx Sampler 3rd-party Medium
DecentSampler Sampler 3rd-party Medium
Best Service Engine Sampler Official + 3rd-party Medium
Omnisphere Synth Official + 3rd-party Huge
Serum Synth 3rd-party heavy Huge
Nexus Synth Official only Huge
Avenger Synth Official only Large
Sylenth1 Synth 3rd-party heavy Huge
Massive / Massive X Synth Official + 3rd-party Large
Pigments Synth Official + 3rd-party Large
SynthMaster Synth Official + 3rd-party Large
Vital Synth 3rd-party heavy Large
Zebra2 Synth 3rd-party heavy Medium
Hive Synth 3rd-party heavy Medium
Diva Synth 3rd-party heavy Medium
ANA 2 Synth Official + 3rd-party Medium
Spire Synth Official + 3rd-party Medium
Icarus / Gladiator Synth Official Medium
Dune 3 Synth Official + 3rd-party Medium
Rapid Synth Official only Medium
Phalanx Synth Official only Medium
EZdrummer Drums Official EZX Huge
Superior Drummer Drums Official SDX Huge
Addictive Drums Drums Official ADpaks Huge
BFD3 Drums Official + 3rd-party Huge
Groove Agent Drums Official Large
Battery Drums Official + 3rd-party Large
Geist Drums Official + 3rd-party Large
Maschine Drums / Groove tool Official + 3rd-party Huge
Atlas Drums Official expansions Medium
XO Drums Official expansions Medium
Addictive Keys Keys Official only Medium
Keyscape Keys Limited 3rd-party Medium
EastWest Opus Orchestral / Multi Official expansions Huge
Vienna Symphonic Library Orchestral Official expansions Huge
Spitfire Audio Orchestral Official expansions Huge
8Dio Orchestral Official expansions Large
Cinesamples Orchestral Official expansions Large
Sonokinetic Orchestral Official expansions Large
Output Arcade Keys / Multi / Sample-based Subscription expansions Large
IK Syntronik Synth / Keys Official expansions Large
Garritan Orchestral Official expansions Medium
AmpliTube Guitar / Bass Official expansions Large
Guitar Rig Guitar / Bass / Effects Official + 3rd-party Large
Positive Grid BIAS FX / Amp Guitar / Bass Official expansions Large
Overloud TH-U Guitar / Bass Official expansions Large
Line 6 Helix Native Guitar / Bass 3rd-party presets Medium
S-Gear Guitar / Bass 3rd-party presets Medium
Peavey ReValver Guitar / Bass Official expansions Medium
iZotope Stutter Edit 2 FX / Creative Official gesture packs Medium
Output Portal FX / Modulation Official expansions Medium
Cableguys ShaperBox FX / Modulators Official + 3rd-party Large
Sugar Bytes Looperator / Effectrix FX / Sequencing / Effects 3rd-party heavy Medium
MeldaProduction MXXX / MSoundFactory FX / Modular Official expansions Medium
Kilohearts Phase Plant / Snapins FX / Modular Official + 3rd-party Large
Eventide plugins FX / Effects Some expansions / presets Medium
Slate Digital ANA 2 Ultra FX / Synth hybrid Massive expansion library Large
Unfiltered Audio BYOME / TRIAD FX Preset packs Medium
Soundtoys FX 3rd-party presets Medium
Splice Samples / Loops / Marketplace Subscription marketplace Huge
Loopmasters / Loopcloud Samples / Loops Official marketplace Huge
Noiiz Samples / Loops Subscription library Large
Producer Loops Samples / Loops Marketplace Large
ADSR Sounds Samples / Presets Marketplace Large
WA Production Samples / Presets Marketplace Large
Native Instruments Expansions Samples / Presets Official Large
Cymatics Samples / Presets Marketplace Large

As you can see, there are not many left.

 

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they have native versions

 

whatever you guys are planning, please release Mac version :D

 

Hoping King R2R pulls off a solid catch Next month.
Been dying to catch that full UAD post myself.
With all this buzz and noise flying around, maybe R2R surprises us not just with one big one, but a couple.

Got this feeling like we’re gonna throw down a proper celebration at the spot that day.

 

Going, going, going...GONG!

Thank you R2R!
Even though I can't even reach the mouse
On mommy's desk
My mixes totally sound professional
Now that you cracked
Those UAD plugins
Arigató
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Stop being a cliche. PT is not going to die and you wishing it so won't make it so. Now run along and play with your DAW of choice, a DAW that still doesn't have anything remotely like an AVID ICON/D-Command type controller, nor does it have the big edit/single page of PT where everything is right there (always multiple panes and single tracks at once or - worst of all - having to 'mix' from an on screen fake mixer with inserts all over the place).. or maybe you have that DAW with terrible waveform drawing and bad audio editing?

PT is still the best not because it was the standard but because it IS the best. I've used nearly every other DAW out there and used to 'hate on PT' just like you when I was a noob too. Then I got serious and realised cubase (bloated nonsense), S1 (terrible workflow for power users), Reaper (nerdgasms not for serious mixers), logic (terrible everything esp audio editing), and the other even worse ones like ableton and bitwig were all just nonsense. They COULD do a job but none of them worked as well as PT for actual recording, editing and mixing of audio. None of them had any really great control surfaces (Cubase now does with NUAGE but you can't get them as cheap as used D-Commands and they still aren't as good as them either).

So... by all means stick to whichever flavour of the month DAW you prefer but don't speak for everyone else who actually understand and love PT and get vastly more music done in it than all the fakers with their also-ran DAWs. About the only bad thing about PT is AVID and pricing... both of which are mitigated by 'warez' releases anyway. ProTip: Having 100x new 'features' in another DAW doesn't actually make them more worthy or faster/better to work with. Yes if you're a MIDI guy then stick with cubase, but for most proper musicians and mixers PT will never be beaten.

Now go reskin your Reaper for the 10th time this month while us PT guys get back to mixing and releasing music.

 

It's a shame that these guys are sitting on this site defending PT. Go better mix and release music, don't waste your time.

I see a large number of valid arguments. Please keep your subjective experience to yourself.

 

just saying this place is not made for a pro like you to waste their time

 

Pro Tools is a great DAW, that's clear. However, I don't think we'll ever see a cracked version of PT again. The last one came out over a decade ago, so... I'm super pessimistic about it. Personally, having Seventh Heaven Pro fixed after four years would be the best Gong ever.

 

Will be great an new internal release of Hypersonics 2 totally rewrite in 64 bits I no need more! Thanks R2R!

 

i came on here just to say/ask this, whatever it is seems legendary!

 

It's a very Pro-Argument

 

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all hail r2r !

 

It's more like a defense. People here act like Pro Tools sucks or something. It's the most stable most advanced overall DAW I've ever used. Nuendo is #2. People on here be like "Reaper is all you'll ever need" when it can't even handle AAF's.

 

Mostly they do it about any DAW they aren't running. Usually it is something they claim to know how to use, and that's not even accurate; like the poster above. The amount of other DAWs they have bad stuff to say about, are the equal number they have tried and blamed for not being able to figure them out.

 

@Vacuum SRV-330?
I know this one is coming soon as emulated and free

 

Protools does suck. Calling it the most stable and advanced DAW is laughable. They need to implement an open beta, because each version gets worse and worse, and they continually build on top without fixing things.