This is the part where I don't really understand the purpose of this. You create something, and then upload it to the AI to lose copyright protection on it; meanwhile feeding the AI your original material. What is there to even gain by doing this? We have plugins which will generate notes and chords, harmonies, melodies, or anything else you might want to use instead. They will get you past some kind of writers block situation too; just with some more work. Even if you do get some musical parts from AI, why wouldn't you just deconstruct them to make them into original material again, like you would with Midi files or Samples?

 

If you have a premium subscription, yes, you still hold the rights. However, suno holds the right to train on your music the second you upload, as well as whatever is generated.

 

This is not accurate. Your Suno subscription status cannot change copyright laws. The Company (Suno) grant you specific terms of usage based on your subscription type and their Terms of Service. That's all they can do. If something is output from AI, those portions of the work are not protected. If they are created by you, then they may be protected. If your track is 100% output from Suno, or other AI; it cannot be granted Copyright at all. Not even by The Company (Suno) which owns the AI service you used.

They can use anything you submit to it and anything generated by that submission to train, as you stated in your post.

Using Suno's Terms of Service as a source of information about music copyrights is like taking a forensic accounting course taught by Bernie Madoff.

 

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you would hold the rights as the original creator of the "acoustic guitar and vocals" track, and while i have not done a deep dive on the copyright law, i believe you can copyright it as long as you contributed to it / change it, i forget what the exact terminology they used is. Generating a song from simply prompting Suno is not copyrightable, thats for sure.

 

The invention of the internet, also known as the world wide web, was already a groundbreaking invention, but people didn't know how to deal with it in the beginning.

Gradually, legislators passed laws and, while some were regulated, some remain in a gray area, and some things, like AI, are only partially regulated by law. Added to this are enormous amounts of data and regulations that hardly anyone can read or understand. The criminal energy associated with fraud and theft by some of our fellow human beings is also unbearable.

Convicting and prosecuting perpetrators is a huge task for the justice system, as the perpetrators are based abroad and conceal their identities. A great deal of time and intelligence must be invested to protect and secure one's own music, one's own presets, sound sets, etc.

Even this small contribution is scanned by the AI and incorporated into the responses.
Everything digital is somehow utilized and evaluated. Legally, this can be summarized in one sentence:

Protecting Music – Brief and Concise

Musical works characterized by the necessary degree of individuality and creativity are automatically subject to copyright protection upon creation. Therefore, registration is not necessary to protect music. Copyright law also allows for legal action against infringements.

 

Sounds good bro

 

I think, this is a grey zone, when AI is involved, as for the usual cases the lawyers say this:
https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/i...is-the-difference-between-form-pa-and-fo.html

 

I'm no lawyer but the Terms of Service - Suno AI seem pretty straight forward and boil down to two things. Contract restricted usage and an aggressive catch-all licensing agreement. All liability regarding copyright, ownership, legal usage and everything else is placed entirely on the user.

Unless I'm mistaken it's quite simple and similar to other AI platforms. They provide a paid service that gives full ownership and commercial usage rights of input and output content to the user, but in using the service the user grants Suno a non-exclusive, perpetual, worldwide, royalty-free, irrevocable license to do almost anything they want like, selling it, sublicense, use it in promo, training data and basically anything you can think of. That license is as close to ownership as it gets without actually transferring the title, lol.

They also state that they reserve the right fully identify any use of their service in your content. So if you use this and don't disclose that you have they retain full rights to announce or confirm that you have in any context they see fit.

Clone is right, in the US 100% AI gen music can't be copyright protected so their restriction on the free plan is a legal contract, nothing to do with copyright law. And for the paid tier whether you can copyright your collaborative work with it is solely down to amount of creative input you have and the laws in your jurisdiction, nothing to do with Suno.

Also only paid plans give commercial rights, they're not granted retrospectively to stuff you've generated on the free account if you upgrade.

Again, assuming I'm sober enough to have understood that correctly, you own what you make, but suno can use anything you do on their platform however they want, and you carry all the legal risk.

 

Copyright Law

GEMA sues AI company Suno
As of: January 21, 2025, 6:41 PM

Users can generate songs with the AI application Suno. GEMA accuses the operators of using well-known works without paying the artists. It has now filed a lawsuit against the company. The music rights management company GEMA is taking action against another AI company. The company says it has filed a lawsuit against the US company Suno with the Munich I Regional Court.

It accuses Suno of having processed copyrighted recordings of world-famous songs. Suno "systematically used these recordings to train its music tool and is now exploiting them commercially without financially supporting the authors of the works." Users of the premium version of the AI tool must pay a subscription fee.

With Suno, musical pieces can be created using simple input. According to GEMA, the resulting results "largely correspond to world-famous works in terms of melody, harmony, and rhythm." Songs by Alphaville (Forever Young), Kristina Bach (Atemlos), Lou Bega (Mambo No. 5), Frank Farian (Daddy Cool), and Modern Talking (Cheri Cheri Lady) are mentioned, among others. Not only famous musicians are affected. Tobias Holzmüller, CEO of GEMA, said: "Human creativity is the foundation of all generative AI.

However, fundamental principles such as transparency, fairness, and respect are currently lacking in this market." The situation is further complicated by the fact that the results compete with works created by humans, depriving them of their commercial basis. GEMA lawsuit against OpenAI: GEMA filed a similar lawsuit last November. At the time, it was against OpenAI, the company behind ChatGPT.

The dispute concerned song lyrics. According to its own information, GEMA represents the copyrights of around 95,000 members in Germany – composers, lyricists, and music publishers – as well as more than two million rights holders from all over the world.

https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/gema-suno-chatgpt-musik-100.html

 

I really dont know.Maybe to get new ideas for the progress of your own composed song.

I play the guitar. But I maybe would like to hear and use some pianolicks that could fit.
maybe also alter these in the daw.
I believe that a "Suno" or "Uido", or whatever they will be called, will be the new plugins that will generate notes and chords,and -harmonys,-breaks,and -fills .
No need anymore for the offline plugins that suggested those things, and their development will stop, (sadly)
Now A.I will be (or become) this plugin,(intergrated in daw´s) and it will probably become bigger(more varations) and/or better ( not quite sure of that) than the existing tools.Still every bedroomproducer will want to use it .my 5 cents.

 

First they will sue suno, then anyone who used suno to release music.

The same as what happened to file sharing software providers then the file sharers themselves.

 

All this really means is that Suno itself will not sue you for using their website AI's output, or ban a user for violation of their Terms of Service.

They mean to "guide" more users into paying them. That is all the copyright protection they can provide. How can they sue an end user for something they cannot even copyright when it is just a derivative from training using others' legally Copyright protected material?

They may as well just walk into court for the cases they have already caught and admit liability. That is usually called a self-defeating legal strategy, or more informally called "two bites at the apple". Your track infringing on "their rights" would have to have more money hanging in the balance than they would ever sue any user about. It would expose some serious issues for them.

 

Make all the justifications you want, your skill as musician/producer/engineer/whatever you call yourself, just simply isn't up to stuff.

you said "The point is inspiration / launch points. For a few reasons, the main one being that we're creating a genre in which im not familiar with producing."

well then you clearly aren't the producer for the job. I don't go to Max Martin to make me something that sounds like Stephane Grappelli and Django do I?

The clear and utter disrespect to the craft that is displayed by everyone in this industry now is a cosmic mistake. It's insane. If you aren't the producer for the job then you eventally over time thru respect to the craft, discipline, and starting to tune that antenna for the muse, *become the producer for the job. If you need "ideas you wouldn't have thought of" like I see a lot of people say about AI, you LISTEN TO OTHER MUSIC.

Creativity is also an instrument itself, that's what people don't understand. Like any instrument, you can't cut corners or you just simply won't get better.

You can say "80%" or whatever you tell yourself, you can even say "I made millions look", but at the end of the day you'll know deep down you're just not at the level you wish you were at creatively, musically, all of the above and that's on nobody but yourself. There is nothing more human than creativity and I'm literally watching it be outsourced in real time. The Craft is truly dying.

If people want the answer to fulfillment it's been right in front of our faces for millennia. Just ask the focused blacksmith who cares not but to make his blade 0.1% sharper everyday. Ask the baker who tried nothing but to perfect their bread recipe everyday.

Also this is how ive paid the bills for 8 years straight now, in case you were gonna pull the "optimization" card, which i saw you do a few comments ago, very silicon valley bro of you.

I don't make a ton and there's massive peaks and valleys as anyone who runs their own business knows, but this isn't just my business, it is my craft. And as such, it must be treated with the utmost respect and hard work.

 

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I feel like this is just projection. I do not feel that way at all. I work in a wide range of genres and consider myself to be fairly creative, blending electronic genres with traditional, from ambient and techno to trap and bossa nova and everything in between. I love the creative process, and experimenting with sound in general.

Regarding on if im the producer for the job or not, i am, and im using the tools to help me be. This is for an artist who i have produced for in the past, and they have specifically come back to me, because they want what i bring to the table, which is, get this, creativity. They have a vision for the album, which involves references pulled from various genres, but with the roots set in electronic music.

Using suno IS me "tuning the antenna for the muse". Its just another tool. In another few years time there will be "suno" or some similar program living in everyone's daw. Its the same as using a kontakt library, sample pack etc. There is still plenty of room for creativity when using any of these tools. If you just generated a song, called it done, and released suno's output directly, then yah, there's little to no creativity there. But the way in which i am using it, which is to help me understand something and as a roadmap / idea generator is far from that.

Its obvious we will never see eye to eye on this, and i could care less what you think about me, but do yourself a favor, and don't be so quick to judge and toss mindless accusations around. Especially against someone you know nothing about except for a few comments on the internet lol. This also applies to technology, its not tech bro to experiment with technology and music, its FUN and "creative". Go ahead, give suno a try, set the weirdness slider to 80% and then experiment with how you prompt it, you may find yourself having fun, and creating something unexpected, educational or just silly and fun.

 

How could I have made music all these years without Suno? (Just kidding)

In my opinion, Suno AI discovered a niche in the market, raised money from investors, and promised to make a lot of money. Suno and others are here to stay. Suno is facing several copyright infringement lawsuits, the outcome of which is uncertain.

Users train the AI with their data. Some non-musicians become Suno customers to save time and to perfect their own lack of creativity and knowledge with Suno. For many users, it's a fascinating new toy: you put lead in and gold comes out (alchemy).

Three camps are forming here in the forum: 1. Suno users 2. Non-users 3. And the undecided/don't know!
Suno users will stick to their point of view, Suno opponents will stick to their point of view.

 

With this statement, you knocked out an entire department called U.S. Copyright Office

 

Of course, you can also register your works elsewhere. However, this is usually not relevant for private individuals or amateur musicians. If you have a TV station or a music publishing company, etc., you will probably take advantage of this offer.

A copyright is a type of intellectual property that gives its owner the exclusive legal right to copy, distribute, adapt, display, and perform a creative work, usually for a limited time. Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright

 

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Then you have become a Music Prompt-ducer (copyright by me, by the way). Every time you get some new material you go - let's see what AI has to say - and there goes your dreams and creativity. You are risking being dependent on AI...(if you're not already!)

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I'll jump the ship the day AI provides a free improv orchestra that reacts to my playing live.

 

You made some decent leaps to make assumptions about what I think about things which i never explicitly said.

Also "projection" is funny, I'll be the 1st to admit if/when I'm not doing enough, lacking in certain areas, etc. which means yes, almost always, the more you know the less you know. No need to dissect in between the lines for "projection" I'll just admit it lol.

Secondly, I never said it couldn't be useful as a creative tool. However, there are a million other things that can serve the same function as a tool. The contention comes because it isn't just "another tool". Everyone keeps saying "it's just a tool it's just a tool" when that is just plain false, this is still in its literal infancy (really embryonic), and it already is doing 80% of the your work for you (yes I know that's not what you said this was tongue in cheek lmao).

A tool covers one aspect of any endeavor, not every single aspect entirely and then some. Will it just be a "tool" when we have full blown AGI, or god forbid, ASI?

I have used suno, trained my own UVR model, not to mention all the crazy stuff happening on the bleeding edge of this tech outside of just the audio/music sphere, etc etc. I'm not completely ignorant to where the technology is at (at least what's publicly available) because if i was completely in the dark about everything, I couldn't truly and confidently have the opinions i do about all of this, don't claim to have intrinsic understanding about all of it either though, as no one really can. But, you must know your enemy lol.

With that being said, as I've stated before (may have been on audiosex but I don't remember) we MUST have an all or nothing approach with AI because this is isn't just a tool, it's the real time observation of the eventual birth of something that will be, for the 1st time in the history of our species, the thing that delegates us to *2nd most intelligent species on earth.

Lastly, I made the tech bro comment specifically* about an optimization comment you made a few comments up.

 

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