You probably tried a early version of it, in reference to the stuff it would crank out. Think about it this way. Would all these people be crying about it, if it really sucked still? Nobody had any problem with it, until it started outputting stuff that worries them. The artifacts and so on, are the same as the free hosting on Audioz. It's low bitrate and not very useful at all, unless someone pays for it. You probably can't even use files at that bitrate to just practice mixing.

 

I find myself quite confused about what's going on with you, 'your artist', and Suno under these circumstances...

Awhile back there was a thread here, it received quite a few comments. A good deal of the subject matter on that thread was attempting to sort out contractual arrangements you've agreed to (their TOS) with Suno when you use their service. Many were confused by the legalese, which by the way was poorly and confusingly written, and were having difficulty figuring out what exactly Suno gets from you when you create something using their site and system. I haven't gone back to look at their TOS since then so I don't know what, if anything, may have changed, but if I'm remembering it correctly, it definitely appeared to be stating that they have rights to the work you submit on their site, simply by using what that site has to offer.

So what I'm confused about is this... based on your OP, it seems you submitted work to Suno that you yourself do not own, and that it belongs to an artist you're doing work for. BUT by submitting that work to Suno you've given the latter ownership of certain rights that didn't belong to you in the first place. First question becomes, does the artist you're working with know you've used Suno on his/her project?

You then say you removed parts that were created by the Suno system. But if you consider their TOS, that doesn't really matter because once you submitted your artist's work to them, you gave Suno a claim to some level of ownership, regardless of whatever you've removed or kept after the fact. Suno can use, and has rights to, whatever you fed into their system regardless of what changes you decide to make after the fact.

So, it sounds to me like you may be getting into a problem area by how you've gone about this. If the artist's work goes absolutely nowhere, it probably won't matter very much. But if it does take off, you could have Suno releasing their own versions of the work on the basis that you used their system and gave them rights. They could do that even if the artist's work goes nowhere, if they decide they want to.

Again though, the thread where this was discussed is awhile ago, I haven't gone back to look at it, so I may have some of this wrong. Also, as I mentioned here, I don't know if they've made changes in the TOS. But I would definitely be checking into the TOS part of this issue to avoid problems.

 

I'm curious about whether the end client has been told where the music came from and where the legal ownership of that music lies

 

Definitions are important. You have a few times used the term "artist" to refer to the person who is paying you. That person is surely not and is in actuality just an end user of other's input as there is no creation or creativity involved on their end. And on your own end I'm in sympathy for your current physical challenge. I understand the concept of a job is just a job and have taken on work which is far from my heart, though in my view when it comes to what we call art is far removed from the process which that you describe in the means to your own. The rub in this case is the furthering of reliance on a thing that you are by using it, helping to further a revolution which will in the end obliterate the relationship with music and human creativity which I can only assume that you hold dear. It seems that we are heaping on love as a whole for a system that cares not one iota for us and will in the end bind and gag us in the pursuit of it's own commercial agenda.

 

I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone reading some of these posts... The level of rationalization has reached new heights.

AI music services do nothing but generate music for you. All the notes, all the playing: it's done for you. But you can't even get the MIDI notes. You can't get full dry stems of every single track in the AI generated song. You can't generate Kontakt libraries.

And yet the AI user claims he's a "composer", pretending he's not skipping every actual step of composition.

When I was 15, I found MIDI files online from existing songs - mostly arpeggios and such from trance songs. I would just flip through them, using Sylenth or Vanguard sounds, trying to make it sound "nice".

But I was still robbed of the artistry. I can hardly tell which of my oldest work is original and which a melody loop taken without crediting the song it was taken from. But my main concern was that I didn't come up with it myself. I wanted to - I wished I could. But that would take practice, which takes time. That's the whole point of the artistic process. You suck until you don't suck. You eventually get good at it. And it feels great, no matter how long it takes.

The only thing I want AI to do is speed up the evolution of physically modelled instrument plugins. Not do the notes for me. Not speed up anything if it means I'm robbed of working out harmonies, rhythms and melodies myself. Who cares if you make 10 crappy generic demos in a week. Barely any of us are lucky enough to pay off all our bills with music alone, for most of us it's just a deep passion or hobby. In fact, I probably look down on the whole for-profit aspect. Plenty of 100% crap music makes their label tons of money. Who cares.

I mean, if you want to, go for it. I'm not threatened by it, because it's not my living. But I'll always criticize it until it stops resembling snake oil garbage.

 

Some of suno's output can be pretty wild if you set the "weirdness" slider to +90%. Definitely delivering results i have not heard in any sample pack.

I can't upload any of these, but i will gladly do some more as before and after examples to share. Before meaing suno's output, after meaning when im done with it.

I used the output of suno as a framework basically, and then build around that, replacing most, if not all of the elements. I've also used it to just get an understanding of a genre. I'll load the stems up in Ableton, see where instrumentation falls, make markers, and then just create from scratch, paying no attention to the stems. Anyone listening to the final product would have no idea if it was built with the help of AI or not.

100% Ive already seen it happening. I have a different client who asked me if i could remake something that they created in suno. Film studios, music supervisors, creative directors etc will all cut us out as soon as they can.

Depending on when you tried it, its progressed quite a bit recently. It can still output corny garbage, id say its the default to output corny garbage, but if you prompt it as detailed as possible, and do some trial and error with the prompts, you can get some great results. The output can still have artifacts, but that has gotten better recently as well.

Very cool! would love to hear the original side by side! to hear where it came from. I'll take a listen to this tho!

Ive not fed any audio into suno. im using it to create instrumentals only, with the intent to either replace everything, or chop and screw it beyond recognition. Side note, i believe soon we will face similar issues from our music distributors (distrokid, landr, etc) and potentially even spotify. They will force the user to agree to their terms, and the terms will include such things as people's right to freely remix, or for them to train their own ai's.

Yup, discussed it in pre-production meetings. Legal ownership will fall on the artist, songwriter, and myself.

The artist will be contributing with songwriting and vocals. As for the second part of your comment, yes, i agree with you, somewhat. I dont see it obliterating human creativity completely. There will always be people who just love to play music, myself included, as well as many others in this thread. There is nothing like picking up a guitar or firing up a synth, AI will never replace that. Live music, even DJing will still be in demand as well, at least until they develop full augmented / virtual reality.

However, there will be mega tech coroporations who take advantage of AI, and publishers, labels etc who will figure out what way they can screw us over even more, but thats inevitable. There are years where im struggling to make ends meet, have zero benefits, no insurance, no PTO etc etc, yet "Carol" in admin who can't even download the files i sent to her (this literally happens all the time) , or who will gaslight me to hell and back that i was already payed (i wasnt, also has happened numerous times) gets full benefits, 3 weeks paid vacation, and health coverage for her family. Unless some major change happens in the industry, most musicians, producers, songwriters and artist will continue getting screwed over, using AI as a launch pad for songs won't rush that.

 

For starters, you can get the midi if you wanted, its not always perfect, but using melodyne or even ableton's built in audio to midi can get you started. I also don't need full dry stems. Im using suno as an idea generator and then working around that, replacing the majority of it if not all of it. You can sort of even generate kontakt libraries lol, but we wont go there for now.

Nowhere did i claim i was a composer, although i am doing a large amount of composition, just using suno as a co-composer. I did however claim i was a producer, which is what im doing. Im helping the artist realize their creative vision and bring the highest quality finished recording to them. Im making both creative and technical decisions to shape the overall sound and direction of their album. That is the definition of a music producer.

As for practicing and putting in time, ive put in decades of work to get where i am. i can play 10+ instruments, i even build my own from scratch. I take pride in my work, yet i also have no problem using whatever tool is necessary to achieve the desired result. Suno may not be "necessary", but it is definitely welcomed.

I am indeed quite lucky to have music be my main source of income, but its not like it just fell in my lap, it took years of sacrifices and struggling to get here, and i still struggle financially from time to time. If i have a tool that can help me quickly frame out ideas, so that i don't have to spend a week making 10 crappy generic demos, why wouldn't i use it? It saves me mental energy, physical energy, and time. All three of which im lacking as of late. If i can expedite the process, and still deliver a unique, high quality product to my client, i will take advantage of it.

 

Yes. At least with the usual low quality clickbait, we get a Youtube video or two. Now we get pages of 1000 word dissertation attempts and not a single one has even explained why we are all getting compression wrong.

 

You can do all of that with only Suno and Melodyne. Not hard at all. Most of the material i get from AI will be converted to MIDI and set as a VSTi on Kontakt. If the sound of the stem is ok and i think i can work on it on a sound design perspective it's ok as well.


As a said before, plenty of tools. People are complaining about others knowledge on making music and they actually don't even know how to operate one of the most "standard" softwares out there lol

 

I can only imagine what would drive someone to go through the hassle of paying for a Suno subscription, testing countless prompts, exporting some of the results, converting them to MIDI (and then spending more time fixing the inevitable mistakes from the conversion) just to spend even more time loading everything into a Kontakt instrument.

Damn, we must be running out of VSTis and sound design techniques or sum...

And I don’t mean that in a bad way, but I don’t think it’s this piece of cake some of you are making it to be in this thread. At that point, you might as well just… do it the old-fashioned way, innit? haha.

 

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Thanks AI to expose the scammers to them self, where we failed you succeeded.

 

I'd put the $24 Suno costs each month into a savings account and, after two years, go on vacation or buy a new plugin, etc., with the money. I don't think you and I are part of the target audience either; it's more likely that we're looking for people who are gullible and tech-savvy.

Some people believe that technology will solve their problems. However, they don't realize, and don't want to realize, how they are slipping deeper into digital dependency.

Some of the people posting here could easily be Suno employees. Someone is trying to somehow communicate Suno's benefits in the hopes of gaining a few new customers.

I once asked the AI what disadvantages Suno has:

Spoiler: Source: Perplexity KI

Suno AI offers many practical possibilities as an AI music generator, but also brings with it some disadvantages and challenges:

Unresolved copyright issues: The commercial use of the generated music has not yet been conclusively clarified legally. There are discussions and even lawsuits (e.g., by GEMA and major music labels) because Suno AI was trained with copyrighted music, and the question of who owns the rights to the generated songs remains open.

Quality and "AI quirks": While the generated songs are often surprisingly high-quality, they occasionally exhibit typical AI artifacts or "quirks" that are recognizable to trained ears.
Potential displacement of human artists: Suno AI can create short songs, jingles, or simple film scores quickly and inexpensively, which threatens jobs for composers and music creators in certain fields.

Ethical and authenticity-related issues: There are concerns about the authenticity and creative value of AI-generated music, as well as ethical discussions about using existing works as a training basis.

Unclear legal situation regarding the use of the results: It is not clearly regulated who owns the rights to the generated songs – the user, the platform operator, or the authors of the training data.
In summary: Suno AI enables fast and creative music production, but faces challenges regarding copyright, quality control, ethical issues, and the potential displacement of human artists.

 

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There were a lot of consequences that went further than just a technical 'progress' in making fabric.
Luddites were skilled and knowledgeable craftsmen and craftswomen. At the time, the production of fabric in England was totally enough for domestic needs plus some export. Industrialization led to a massive overproduction that fueled the colonial process. The British forced Indians and others to buy british fabric (produced in prison-like factories by exploited workers, including children) under the threat of their guns. They made local production illegal. They enforced this with great violence. They stole the jobs of throusands of British workers AND of tens of thousands of Indian workers, reducing in slavery an ancient civilization. Why did Gandhi use the spinning wheel as symbol for the independance movement ?
It was not just 'technical progress', it was simply turning people into slavery for the profit of the first capitalist corporations, which then founded all kinds of colonial wars and oppression. It was a social shift of great magnitude. For the worse. And all so-called 'progress' goes the same. It produces slavery, it lowers the global level of competence of mankind, it destroys civilizations and Nature as well.

Once, some guy said I was a 'Luddite' because I refused to use Facebook. I've felt an immense pride. I dont give away my data for free, and I certainly wont give copyright on my clients' work to some tech corporation which causes wars in Africa and massive environmental damages everywhere.

Most of 'progress' has no necessity. It's done because it is feasible and then, people find uses for it. More precisely, people in charge find how to use them to get more power over others' lives.

 

you are right.
I feel happy for you.
Congratulations for using AI in a smart and NOT mediocre way.
I had never used AI for music but you inspired me.
thank you for share your experience

 

BRIEFLY AS POSSIBLE.

Only my opinion:

• I believe there is a great sense of personal achievement when as an artist, I choose the where, when and how.
• I could not in good conscience, say I produced or created anything if an artificial intelligence did everything for me.
• I like making mistakes. It is how I learned over many years, and that is found by 'doing'.
• I believe A.I. definitely now has a place in the arts, just like samples. However, for anyone using it, they cannot say they are responsible for what it does, unless they dictate every single step, every one of the instruments that are played and how, every vocal part and how and every phase of the engineering, production and mastering process. In other words, every facet down to the tiniest decision.

As you all were.

 

Ok, i'm curious to hear how they sound.. However i don't understand what the problem is in this thread.. If you make money with this system then make the most of it!

 

Most likely no real money were done.

 

Nice process. Currently on a project doing something similar with aiva for classical branches and stems midi. Nowhere near a complete answer but certainly useful

 

Vocoder! No, wait.. That's from the 20's..
It's probably just a matter of taste..

 

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Tomorrow's music will be like a smoothie. In the past, people didn't eat the fruit; today, they pour everything into a blender and drink it in one gulp. Music will be the same: put everything into the AI, stir it all together, add a little magical reverb, and the new sound is ready.

Since you only consumed crap music before, you don't notice the difference.
As a young person, you watch what others are listening to and get your bearings because you want to fit in.

 

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