They're bordering on illegal. Maybe someone with a few million to spare will sue them. As you know, big, financially powerful law firms always back the big guys. They usually bombard you with expert opinions and opinions and drag out the process until the plaintiff goes bankrupt. I think your decision is consistent. I'll stay here for now; maybe I'll rediscover my songs somewhere else.

 

the businesses operate 24/7, enforcement occurs occasionally, do you see how a problem can accrue.
literally all enforcement does is teach the corporations, where the guardrails are and how to avoid detection as they actively climb over them.

additionally corporations often have contracts with elements of governments such as 3 letter agencies to supply them with tools and data from their subscribers. AT&T provides internet backbone access directly to the NSA in buildings in San Fran, NYC and likely many other points as has been documented in lawsuits.

Governments and their agencies are more likely to turn a blind eye or actual encourage vacuuming up user data to provide them with yet more data. Have no faith in institutions.

 

The internet cannot be completely controlled, only regulated.

American jurisdiction is completely different from Asian jurisdictions, etc.! Of course, the big corporations rule because they alone create jobs and thus money and thus also tax revenue. Many politicians are lobbyists in the service of corporations.

It's no different in the EU. The secret services also have a strong interest in acquiring or even stealing other people's secrets and technologies. That's the way the world is. The problem will be enormous, and whether it can all be regulated and legally resolved is more than doubtful.

The strong will continue to crush the weak. Some will be sued, but, as with crime, it will always only be the tip of the iceberg.

 

Relationship between SoundCloud and Splice.

First thing to get on mind.
In March 2024, SoundCloud acquired Splice, a popular platform for samples, loops and tools for music producers. This purchase was part of a strategy to better integrate music creation tools with the distribution and discovery offered by SoundCloud.

The second:

What is the goal of this union?
Create a more closed ecosystem where artists produce, upload and promote their music using tools within the same group.
Use data and content from both platforms (samples + full songs) to develop AI-powered products.
Empower AI models that can generate music, help produce it, or analyze it.
What about using your songs to train AI?
This initiative is likely to come from SoundCloud's steering group following the acquisition of Splice. Together, the two companies have:
Access to millions of samples (Splice).
Access to millions of songs and creators (SoundCloud).
This is perfect ground for training music generative AI models, both to help creators and for future commercial products.
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I see that little by little this whole subject is being monopolized... as always, all the power falls on one person who ends up being just a few...

 

Oh my! No way! I have to immediately take my masterpiece of a lifetime outta there

PS. please I need to know who made that comment to send him my best beers

 

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This is an excellent point and question.

You may or may not be too old to remember, but Microsoft was once sued for monopolistic business practices. Gates himself was deposed and called to testify and had a meltdown, and that was the end of it pretty much.

So the first ones are often your competitors. Some of them are jealous, some of them are outraged, some of them are desperate. They will hire an IP law firm, and off the leashes the hounds will go. Once they've gathered enough evidence, off to Justice and the Courts they will go.

There are also legions of Computer Science grad students who are paid by their Universities to investigate, reverse engineer, understand, write and publish papers, etc. They are a quite formidable force when they find a juicy target (not just Prosecutors trying to make a name for themselves at Justice).

There are also private firms and publicly funded agencies (the EU not least among them), that perpetually look for violations to justify their existence - these are often staffed by the same grad students who didn't have the chutzpah or energy or connections to start up a revolutionary new company. So they keep doing what they were doing.

Lastly, there is the specialized cyber press, which is itself monitored by the printed press (e.g., NYT, The Guardian, etc), which is itself monitored by Television Magazines (a la 60 Minutes or whatever the equivalent in the UK, Germany, etc), which then pass it on to their colleagues in the Newsroom, where it hits the National News, if juicy enough.

Once it hits the national news, some congressman, or MP in other countries, will seize this issue as his riding horse, to march into the news and some committee, and some higher role in Parliament or Congress, maybe even Government.

This is why the first order of business of a Nazi or Fascist government is to discredit the media, muzzle Justice, and defund universities and cancel grants to scholars.

 

Id love your thoughts on this song. I was listening to it (dont ask why lol) and IMMEDIATELY thought it was from suno. The line at 28 "cowboy killers, blood red wine" is what set me off. Not only lyrically, but melodically. It just has that suno sound. To be clear, i dont think this is suno's output, but rather suno wrote the song, and Trace Cyrus just re-did it. Its also very nursery rhyme, another hint towards suno. LMK!

 

I couldn't say other than one thing. If perchance he did and wanted to make it sound like it wasn't A.I... There is only one way to do it I know of. It has a lot of the today modern production so the drums and bass do not sound like they're naturally human because they're so over-produced. If he got the rhythm section to record it live and kept a real drummer sound acoustically, as in a more live sound it would have been more difficult to think it was anything other than not A.I. But as to whether it is an A.I. copied tune? No idea.

 

Totally. i agree. In general, if an AI song is used as a demo, and then flushed out, and completely re-recorded, it would be impossible to tell if it was AI to begin with. However, ive spent enough time with suno to know what the melodies and lyrics it shits out are like. Cookie cutter nursery rhymes, with simplistic melodies. Of course, that is also pop music, and suno could just be recreating what it was trained on, and this song could have been written organically. But i have not felt this way about any other song ive heard lately, this one just screamed suno to me. Ive gotten that same melody at 28 seconds multiple times, im sure of it.

 

I can see what you mean. I wonder if it’s chicken or the egg with that one.

It’s not a Suno generated song fully.

The vocals are real, same with the guitar.

I can tell the “paper” sound of Suno.

there are other gen platforms. Sonauto, Riffusion, etc that use a lot of the same GPT api calls for lyrics.

a lot of people are using LLMs for lyric writing these days so it could just be that in this case

 

Job Posting:

Our company is looking for a qualified musician with good ears who can separate the wheat from
the chaff for our music platform, i.e., assess and distinguish AI-generated music from real music.

 

I think you are naive if you beleive in the fundamental integrity of so many structures that are so easily corruptible by money and power. The media are (always) biased by those who employ them, they are often gate-keepers, their power lies just as much in what they don't report on as what they do choose to focus on.

Do you think this entire "AI" campaign is organic and just "happened" one day, or are there corporations and publicity firms pushing an agenda into people's minds. Why is AI being used to dazzle the easily swayed by its ability to "hold conversations", to "make Art", to "make Music", and not to conduct real time surveillance across entire continents without need of sleep, food or water, or even basic morality.

AI is a lot more than the slop you see in the press and on the internet. Ai is ultimately a weapon, being sold as a tool to midwits, and layabouts looking for an easy path, it winds up in bondage and worse.

so keep a jaundiced eye peeled at the castles you think protect you, they may in fact be illusions to distract you.

 

Imagine if we all consented to allow Soundcloud to use our material, then all uploaded really crappy tracks with serious titles... we could easily screw up the system to churn out shite on demand. Task no.1: let's all upload Mary Had A Little Lamb remixes, making it as cheesy as cheesy could get. LOL!

 

This right here, all day.

I associate Soundcloud with people who don't have enough faith in their music to throw it up on Bandcamp.

 

Bandcamp started well but ended like this:

At the end of September 2023, it was announced that Epic had sold Bandcamp again. The new owner is Songtradr. Shortly before the sale, 16% of the workforce was laid off; after the sale, about half of the employees were not retained. As part of the wave of layoffs, all union members and the works council, which had only been established at the beginning of the year, were dismissed.