The great cease to rule when the small cease to grovel.
Friedrich Schiller

All mischief that happens is not only the fault of those who do it, but also of those who do not prevent it.
Erich Kästner

 

However true, that's just a utopia.

 

I see it the same way as you!!!

Usually there were wars that were started by the powerful and usually there were improvements after general strikes, and the International Court of Justice also helped us to gain more rights. In our country many people are organized in unions that also push for higher wages or improvements in the workplace.

Unfortunately musicians are not organized, but we have an artists' social insurance fund where artists get cheaper rates.

In some countries there have even been attempts at a basic income, if unemployment increases enormously there will probably be a basic income in some countries.

 

Unfortunately, this bounces back to the topic of this post. Unions work when labor force is meaningful. Take the States for example, where studio musicians were unionized and they could log recording hours and get shitty pensions, but pensions anyway. The live-show scene there still has heavy influence from unions. However, once AI renders session musicians, arrangers, and the mechanical licensing of music useless, unions will lose their little influence left. Of course, forward-thinking musicians will always have a place as AI music can't really create anything new, just regurgitate what's already existing, but forward-thinkers rarely join unions because they don't tend to be jobbers.

 

apologies I read it in a negative light.

 

People that are training these IAs are completely idiots.

 

I dont think its only hip hop that is getting the biggest push. There is tons of pop, dance music, hip hop, and indie / alternative that is widely successful and major label. Nor is all music subpar compared to decades ago. I would say the opposite. Theres so much great, unique, experimental music out there, you just may be looking in the wrong places. As far as artist with something to say, sure, we don't have Bob Dylan 2.0, but everyone has their own unique voice, and many of them use it in protest. The tour grind is real, and does suck, but again, live music has not been replaced by 2 turntables and a microphone. There are many great bands, new and old that are still playing shows, although that is becoming harder and harder to do. Even for successful artist, its just too expensive.

 

The only truthful thing any owner/creator can say about their A.I product, is that it needs what already exists to duplicate anything properly.

Each person has their own sense of ethics and morality and with that, those qualities seem to be disappearing.

P.S - There is nothing ethical, moral, or having the remotest form of honesty and integrity by cloning someone else's work and calling it your own. It shows an extreme lack of originality and lack of true creativity.

 

There was an analogue world before the internet and then with the invention of the internet a lot of analogue became digital.

You always have to take people's convenience or laziness into account. It is much more convenient to just click the YouTube button or the download button. Nobody cares that a musician has worked on a CD for two years, click and download, illegal burning or passing on MP3 players for free.

Why drive to a record store when you can get it at home faster with a click of the mouse. But it is not the same to go directly to a record store than to order online. But the negative consequences are also loneliness. Does digital make you lonely?

A live concert by Deep Purple or Jean Michelle Jarre is a community experience and people have a longing and desire for togetherness. Jean Michelle Jarre has put on the biggest open air events with the most concertgoers worldwide. Light show, laser harp, music for the masses and he also took regional languages and conditions into account.

Mike Oldfield once said, I want the people who come to my concert to experience something extraordinary.

There are young people who like hip-hop because hip-hop musicians write lyrics that include themselves, with all their wishes and fears. Of course there are young people who are looking for and want to hear something completely different. The range of music from the past 75 years is huge and also represents cultural creation with all styles of music.

You also have to encourage and support young people to follow their own musical path. With music, rap workshops, dancing, theater, etc., many social problems can be solved and creativity and working together, not against each other, can be encouraged.

 

Totally, love this mindset! The world needs as much positivity and supporting of each other as possible.

Theres still great community experiences in electronic music. Have you been to a rave? Ive met so many awesome people and community leaders at raves over the years. Small ones of 200 poeple in the desert all the way up to massive ones of 100,000+ people at EDC.

This guy is one of my favorites, his live shows are really impressive, electronic music or not. He's also an educator, and has a great outlook on life.

Heres his event called "circle of live", its a show that rotates the performers depending on where the show is. They all connect together via Ableton Link, running modulars, synths, drum machines etc. Its rare to be able to catch it live, but ive been lucky enough to

Heres a song of his done with a small orchestral group

 

I envy you.
To be honest, I have almost never been to a singer's live concert.
I've always had bad hearing, so maybe I've instinctively avoided them.
It's worse now than it used to be, so if I went to one, I'd be sent to the emergency room.
I wish I had ears that could withstand the roaring noise of a music festival...

I enjoyed the video you posted.
Thank you!

 

To each their own. I wouldn't pay money to see someone turn a knob or slide a slider. The live-show experience has moved from showcasing artistic prowess and virtuosity to turn-table... prowess and virtuosity?

I know the mixes and the music are the key components here, but again, I wouldn't pay for someone to turn on a stereo. That's definitely a job AI can take over for good.

EDIT: My apologies to everyone in electronic music. I'm speaking from an old guy's purist experience. There's a whole industry on DJ-ing and of course, it's very successful, but it's not my cup of tea. I can't appreciate the art there because a DJ for me does a service job, not an artistic job. In my experience, they get hired to manage a playlist in a party. That's all. Of course, great DJs know how to move the floor. That's why I pay for one. I won't shake the floor as successfully handling my playlist from my phone at my party.

 

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Some of the more famous DJs are flown in by plane so that the rich can have fun. Money isn't an issue. They just want to dance and have fun.

In larger clubs, it's all about the drinks sales! The DJ has to play good music or choose the right music so that lots of people come back and/or can be won over as customers. In our disco, he also has to operate a strobe light and the fog machine. The DJ (disc jockey) certainly has to have a feel for people and a little knowledge of psychology.

Small rave parties on the lawn with a mobile sound system are great and important, but have nothing to do with art or creativity. Theoretically, you can also burn the songs onto CDs and play them or play an online radio station.

 

You're right, and I'm not belittling their jobs either. Give me a bass guitar and you'll gladly pay for what I can do. However, I wouldn't make a cent as a DJ. I've done it, but again, there's skill in making people move. Maybe that's the artistry. Whenever there's true artistry, AI can't compete.

 

One could also make a prediction about the future use of AI.
More AI = fewer people --> More AI = less art --> More AI users = fewer human contacts

In the end, AI will be smashed with a sledgehammer or humanity will perish or become a slave to AI.

 

It also means fewer humans into art = better art, and the cycle will begin again.

 

Great conclusion!

Belief systems: after God had served his purpose, the new God came in the form of a banknote. People paid for money every day until the first financial crisis came, today the whole world is completely over-indebted.

In between there were a few destructive wars to plunder natural resources and make some profits for the banks and arms companies. Then came the climate doomsday religion with its CO2 delusions.

I think after that comes the digital prison, since almost everyone uses smartphones. The new sanctuaries are the big data centers and a few global players like Apple, Google, Amazon, Samsung and a few others.

Young people are pacified with games, adults lose themselves in the TV program and a small intelligent minority will oppose it. Of course, everything could have turned out completely differently.

ZAGER AND EVANS In The Year 2525 (lyrics)

 

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But have you actually really tried to use these tools in a way that is creative? because you can say that from a standpoint of not going in depth. you can make unique music that dosent sound like a clone of someone else's. You can do that with AI as well. You can also do that with a daw. there is a whole culture of "Type Beats" out there where its cloning the style of someone else's work an creativity.

 

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