Yep, that's a suggestion alright.

Understood...I have fallen into this error before so i won't again... I come from a place where we learn very early in life that you apply politics just by the way you live, you don't have to talk politics per se, to be active in it. So imho rules about politics are a bit a hide and seek game. Rules should be about actively insulting people or people's beliefs which is understandable. Politics talk is quite like music, very subjective.
I will just say from my point of view, AI talk under a macro lens is politics, as it shapes everyday life as we know it as much as laws voted or not. Very soon it will be everywhere if it isn't already. But hey, i will abide by the rules and cut it here. Thanks for the reminder.
Cheers
PS: It won't be long before every country will have its own version of a ministry of advanced tech and ai. Mark my words

 

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I disagree. The data is in there you just have to know how to look for it. If you use simple prompts or approach it in a simple way it will reflect simple outputs. If you use tools like dalle, suno, midjourney etc. as input and output then you will get some soulless content. But if you prompt them with intension and a creative way the depth of what u can do its so much more expansive.

If you say "make me a rock song about my dog" yeah it will be corny. If you ask an image generator "make me a photo of elon musk as a superhero" shits gonna look bland, or ask gpt to give you a quote from a book.

But being creative is the thing with any tool. How do you go about doing something that no one has done before with the tool? Jimi Hendrix is a fine example of that with guitar. Try that approach with AI tools and you will see whats buried under the black box is some pretty profound things.

 

I'm not criticizing that kind of thing. If that's what you love, go out into the Empty Grassland with your acoustic guitar and a tape recorder and make as much music as you want. Nobody's going to stop you.

But as AI becomes more commonplace, it may become more difficult to do that. If you're a musician, you may have to use AI in your work, or your coworkers and fellow musicians may all be writing songs with AI.

So, you should be open-minded before rejecting something.
Anyone can decide not to like something without trying it.

That argument is valid. Of course, the rule of law is necessary.
However, in the AI image generation industry, we don't hear much about this, and in fact, it is not illegal to generate AI images of real people. (As long as it does not violate their portrait rights.) In fact, the data needed to create images of real people is available for free.

If we restrict things too much with laws, the number of shackles will increase.
But if you think about it, art can also be said to have a history of fighting against legal restrictions.
By the way, do you think AI can do anything now?
Not true. AI is basically like a baby that doesn't listen to what humans say.
There is also a phenomenon called "hallucination" occurring, where false information is presented to humans as if it were true.
AI is all the rage now, but it's still in that stage. In other words, if it can be used well in the future, it has the potential to become a useful tool.
I don't think there's any harm in keeping your ears open for information about AI.

 

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Also, when you use AI, sometimes you can't get what you want, but sometimes you can get something good that you never thought of.
It's like a discovery in science: "I added the wrong ingredient, but it led to a discovery I never imagined."

 

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This is like that Bjork interview "they said electronic music has no soul and blame the computer". As curtified stated, Diffusion models need human input and is the craft of that human guiding the models the responsible of quality of the outputs. The more you think out of the box and the more you mix concepts and fields that can seems totally unrelated the better.

For example, I've been building just for the "what if" a little custom lyric tool, but instead of prompting "write me a lyric about X" and spinning the seed roullette hundreds of times to get horrible results I feed the model with an specific Phd thesis from friend of mine that verses about the Counterintuitive Religious Semantics, cause when I read her thesis many years ago I though that that knwolodeage could be used to write lyrics that cut trough the brain like a knife on butter, and It delivers really good. Things like that that were totally out of our graps just one year ago.

 

Instead of thinking for yourself, you commission a machine to do the thinking and other work for you. It would also be better and more tolerant to accept or respect other opinions. You are an advocate of AI and will do everything you can to sell me AI.

Your sentence will also go down in history: I quote you: "to write texts that cut through the brain like a knife". Man, how did you come up with a sentence like that, or in other words, where did you get that sentence from?

Now you're talking about thinking outside the box, yes, I've even looked at the end of the development of AI. Most people are getting dumber and using their brains less and less.

Even the smartphone has caused reading difficulties and concentration problems in many people.

 

hi to one and all,If someone wonders how advanced is AI music, listen to these full album generated by AI that recently appreared on youtube :

Ftank;y this is very scary... all style of music are covered by these channel

 

AI will, in the future, enable every unmusical and untalented person to create and even publish their own music tracks.
The AI will only require a few inputs from the individual, perhaps even a hummed melody, which it can incorporate into the production as a supersaw synth, guitar or something else entirely.

Everyone will be able to create music without any knowledge or expertise.

Advertising agencies will generate songs, just like images, using AI tailored to client needs.

Entire films, including audio, will be fully produced by AI. Jobs will collapse and be permanently lost.

This is, unfortunately, the future for many media designers.

 

I'm telling what I'm doing with diffussion models, don't really care about selling you anything, tbh. The rest are somewhat of ad-hominems fallacys that I tend to not engage for obvius reasons. Sorry that you feel threatened by the Bjork analogy.

 

You're drawing the wrong conclusions, I have to correct that, I neither agree with Björk nor do I feel threatened by her statement. Why you quoted and consulted Björk with a statement that actually has a religious character and little content about the actual music process. Another great word from you: ad hominem fallacies, I ask for a comprehensible translation and explanation of the term.

If you enjoy working with AI, I wish you much success with it, it's not my thing.

 

And I'll graciuosly decline your invitation for me to explain cause I know we're among learned gentlemen that can read subtexts and their cultural idiosincrasies outside the literal wordings.

 

Great, another one who is beyond ignorance. Well then, keep playing up your own ego.

Argumentum ad hominem (Latin, "speech against the person") is a pseudo-argument that attacks the person of the opponent. This is done with the intention of discrediting the position and its representative in the eyes of an audience. In rhetoric, an argumentum ad hominem can be deliberately used as a polemical and, under certain circumstances, rabulistic strategy. If the attack has no substantive connection to the topic of the argument, then it is also referred to as argumentum ad personam.

 

See? Why did you ask then, if you already knew? Going beyond ignorance is to have a reply ready regardless of what the other says. It's pointless. You could have done a little research about the Counterintuitive Religious Semantics and you would have known why I wrote such phrase. Instead you choose to automatically frame it out of context in a fallacious manner. AI is not your thing, fallacies aren't mine. Everyone has likes and dislikes.

 

You can do the hummed melody part today. Try suno in covers mode.

Yes some tasks in music production will have to adapt. Yeah there arent that many people that know how to use tape to record. But there are a lot of pro-tools engineers now. The ones who adapt or the younger ones who learn on it will be the ones working those jobs in the future. Thats what has always happened.

As for stock music. This industry has existed well before AI. If this was your only source of getting your music to be heard then yes i see a threat there. But most companies will still pay for someone to do the job than do it themselves. Even if the person they are paying is using AI to do said job. "do i go on this website and figure out how to use a new tool? or do I use this budget that I was given to pay someone to do the job" its usually the later.

One last point. Yes entire films and music will be made with AI. But just because this happens doesnt mean every film or piece of music will be made that way. Just because we have drum machines (and virtual drummer plugins) doesnt mean you cant mic up a drumset and track it. Both can exist, also a hybrid of all tools whatever color can exist.

 

Yeah dude thats cool. You can use a real eq and not gullfoss, you can use a actual guitar and not a sample, you can make your art however you want. Were not saying these things to take away from anyones process. We are all just sharing how we use it. We find some cool niche use cases for AI tools. Its not input output. its not black and white. its just another tool like any new plugin, synth, amp we might come across.

 

Yeah @curtified, I understand that very well and surely some of the AI will be able to change some sounds and songs for the better.


People need new AI toys otherwise they get bored. Every day news, new software and people buy it...! 100 EQ's- 1000 reverb plugins and more and more and more...a never ending story. The consumer is happy = The manufacturer is happy

 

yeah... funny thing is some of these new plugins just boost the volume but dont do much else (im being dramatic)

 

One more thing to add: when people say, "Protect music copyright!" or "Protect musicians' rights!", I've recently come to think that I don't want to protect "copyrights" but "the right to make money from music."
Is this the Death throes of money-worshipping musicians?

 

The law of the market

You bring the product/service that you produce or offer to the marketplace and if you have something that people need or can afford, people make a purchase decision and you earn money.

If people have less money due to low wages, inflation, high energy prices, these people will not buy luxury products at all because they only have enough money for the bare necessities. A record, CD or a concert will not be impossible due to a lack of money. In short, less money for people leads to less income for musicians.

The more competitors there are on the market, the harder it is to sell something, and of the large mass of music, only high-quality music will remain in the long run.

If there is no longer demand for your product or service, you will go bankrupt and disappear from the market.

Law and Legislation

There is no law about making money with music.
Copyright protects your written or recorded music/art from theft and illegal reproduction.

So what can you do?

You will usually give up and look for a job to earn a living. You can of course continue your education and get qualified, but you will also encounter competitors there.

You can of course get together with other artists in your city and organize parties, concerts, events and street festivals. You can also set up a non-profit association to promote music and art and then try to implement your interests in your city with your members.

In practical terms, however, this will not happen because people are each trying to participate in the market as lone fighters in front of their screens, so the situation will stagnate or get worse and if they then have to work because they are not a student or retired, they will have neither the time nor the energy to continue making music intensively.

The market dominance of the financially strong TV stations, record labels, file sharing sites, Google etc. will continue to dominate the market, either they adapt to their market laws or they will go under.

Outlook

As long as the people at the bottom do not fight back against those at the top and join forces, these tyrants will continue to rule.

This is my opinion and I wrote this text myself, you can print this text and use it freely.