Yeah, generalisations suck. Of course some people still make vast amounts of money from music. It's just not so much as it used to be decades ago for your regular moderately successful musician, and those who made it couple of decades ago and are still alive and popular, still make good money. The landscape keeps changing...

 

mirc (1995), dc (1999), ftp (1971)...

 

> $10000

 

Like to share your music with us as well ?

 

Then you're doing it wrong.

 

nope I am a ghost producer I only serve for well known djs...

 

no matter ,she seems not having a www driver license .

 

@Auen Fred : its not like a specific thing, or if it is; its not something that was in my control. to my understanding its more spiritual than material, i couldnt have manufactured people having this response to my music. i just make what i dig

 

The Internet, the largest and most popular human-made technology, has become popular due to the influence of artists. If artists strike and do not put their products on the Internet, the Internet and its developers will go bankrupt in a short time.
These are the artists who offer refreshing and vitality to humans. If artists don't exist, a dark and dead world will be the result.
My question is why, despite the great impact of artists in the community, their profession has not been recognized as a job?
Does a bricklayer have a greater impact on society or an artist?
Why is bricklayering a job and he gets a certain money to build each wall, but being an artist is not a job?

 

I would almost wanna see proof for the 4 people that claimed in the latter 2 categories. I highly doubt you're making that much, cause if you were....you wouldn't be here. For any reason, under any circumstances.

 

@Jedi_Knight : why would i not be here?

 

I don't know if that is much different from when JS Bach was playing the pearly whites. Did you know that one of his side groups, The Bacchus Bros., didn't make a more than a few pints of grog each concert?

 

I think you mean "availability of pr0n" rather than artists.

 

Maybe we talk past each other here. When you write about AAA games, the fair comparison is to compare it to AAA music. Talking about bedroom producers who dream about big money is something else. Let's talk about Taylor Swift maybe. You can't argue there are no people out there still willing to pay significant money to visit her concerts. Compared to the many hours the regular GTA player plays the game, the two hour concert seems even more. Take a look what fans are willing to pay for her sold out concerts.

Pls correct me if I'm wrong - but to me those "music has no value" kind of phrases sound really cynical and frustrated.

I was talking about music as a whole. Not about some laptop warriors own productions, which of course will not make money on it's own.

Here is another little example to my point that there is value in music. When I was a student at university I had to earn some money to pay my rent. I was playing in a local band that time (not making money, not trying to either), so I had friends making music, too. One of them asked me one day if I want to be his successor in a local music school, teaching guitar to 12-years-old in a shitty big band project at a regular school. Despite the fact I was (and still be) far away from being a great guitar player, I said yes, although I was afraid I wasn't good enough at the instrument. Being an autodidact with punk roots, unable to read sheet music with ease did not help. But guess what, nobody complained about my playing abilities (most of the others were "real musicians" with university background) and I earned 28 euro the hour, which was more than double of what other students earned back then. It was a chilled job, not much work to pay my rent and other things. Long story short: semi-shitty guitar players have not been scarce back then, but I still was able to earn money from it.

It is almost 20 years ago, today as I said I don't make money from music, although my passion for making music is even bigger. I love playing in bands, I love making electronic music on my laptop, I love listening to music, I love visiting concerts, I love to talk about music. There would be ways to make money out of my passion, it is just a route I personally don't want to go. Either way (money or passion): there IS value in music. Stop being cynical, it does not help.

 

Well, we were talking about scarcity. There's a fixed number of Taylor Swift tickets, that's why they're worth something.

People will pay to experience a big name performance, yes. People will pay to buy vintage music gear, yes. People will pay for tutoring sessions with Steve Vai, yes. People will pay for iLok protected audio softs, yes. All due to scarcity.

But in terms of Incontro's "when it comes to musicians and music producers, no one pays for their works and products" then the only answer can be that it is either undesirable or not scarce.

https://consequence.net/2024/11/more-music-released-in-a-day-than-all-1989/

But hey, maybe there is a ton of money to be made, in which case I never want to hear the "I'm a starving artist" complaint ever again, or any bellyaching about Spotify payouts not being enough. We're all getting rich out here, haven't you heard?

 

Every concert ticket has a fixed number. The majority of tickets for other acts is more scarce than Taylor Swift tickets - but they are way less worth. To me it's just to simple to break it down to the point of scarcity alone.

Sure. Again difficult to compare releases from 1989 (which were all physical) with bloated releases on countless streaming platforms. God knows how many of them being at least partially AI generated. Of course it is easy to bang some loops together and release a dozen tracks every day. My guess is: quality releases from artists who care about their art, who put their heart and soul into it, who rehearse their songs, etc is still a relatively rare thing nowadays.

 

Well, if someone plan to make music for money, that person should know that quality alone is not enough, it takes a lot of things, like getting to know (or be) an artist that can make a nice live performance, also you'll have to keep your social media updated, be socially attractive, etc, etc... Sometimes people is lucky (because you need lots of luck too) and find the right people when doing a career in music, if you aren't that lucky you'll maybe need to spend lots of money to get first steps which are the most though, once you cross the atmosphere and get into the space things start to be easier.

But making money with music is not a goal for many, lots of musicians has side careers to support their creations and not be dependent of the music industry or wathever. So it's not that the people that get 10000$ + are doing fine or the people that get 0$ - are doing bad it depends on the approach. Most of the artist that I admire didn't get that much either and got to be known afterwards, that's part of the independent spirit and I think is honourable. To share its an important dimension of art, there's a therapeutic dimension too that shouldn't be looked down.

 

I didn't see how much money did you LOSE this month making music...

I'm down 300$ this month, do you know how much blank 8-track tapes cost?

 

normies are just pissed cause God didn't kiss them with the gift of music....
he probably gave it to everyone but they weren't paying attention or making an effort.

I like music and art and it would be great to make a few bucks doing it, but i busted my ass so I could have the time and money to pursue music and art. I wish live performance could become a viable income stream to people again. The death of affordable entertainment and appreciative audiences has hurt a lot of people that could really use the money and the mental affirmation and joy of a live audience.

I don't think anybody ever made a fortune from record sales (and spotify and streaming is even worse), it was always a way to get people interested in seeing the live shows and having a great night out. Maybe MC Hammer and guys that made their own records and tapes and sold them out of their trunks made a few bucks, but it was the shows that made the dough...

we need more venues and they need to be affordable, at least in the states that the way it is these days.