my first experiment, one week ago

https://suno.com/song/df6721d3-e9fe-4340-9fed-d6df6847d40e

 

Songs generated with Suno are stupid and repetitive, and after a few hundred, you can detect the patterns from a distance. And the quality is terrible. Also, they do not create anything new; instead, they train on current music and tweak the keys, pitch, and portions of songs. Is more than a loop mixer paired with computerized speech generators, which is why they are being sued and will eventually be shut down. I support artificial intelligence in music, but only when it is integrated into DAWs and plugins. Faster music creation in music software, with own ideeas, is welcome. People don't have to wait years until creating songs, if they want to. AI can help here, creating basslines, chords and song structure that sounds good, this is what I would let AI to handle.

 

as any composer. all melodies already were wrote, created, recorded, remaked, remixed...
loops, construction kits, presets...
typical breakdown in any electronic style - few simple melodies / chords, producers use them again and again just changing instrument.

 

If human creativity and originality are preserved even with the adoption of new technology such as AI, "music made by humans" will continue to have value in the future.
However, if AI makes it impossible for humans to create original new music, it will mean the exhaustion of human creativity and a kind of "death".

Already in the film industry (especially Hollywood), creators are no longer able to make completely new movies, and reboots and sequels of past movies, and film adaptations of existing manga and novels are becoming more prominent.
In the AI image industry, it has become possible to reproduce any painter's painting, any cartoonist's painting, any photograph, or even a scene from any movie. And now, technology is emerging that can generate videos using AI.

Rather than arguing that "AI technology is a threat and should be destroyed," it would be wise to look for a way to coexist.
In any era, once a new technology is invented, it never stops, and keeps running.

 

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If you use suno (or any tool) in a way thats simple you will get simple results.

One thing i like is using suno in covers mode and singing, rapping, humming, or uploading into it. if you have it based on your original idea and iterate with it you can get a great sketch to take elements from in your own production.

for vocals ill use my vocal to. "prompt" it then ill render out versions that I like. stem separate it remaster it then cover the vocal again and get a clean vocal stem.

Same for melodies. If i find a melody i like Ill stem separate out a section then cover that melody with a grand piano and use that element in my song converting audio to midi.

So many ways to use AI to help expand your workflow and get out of patterns that you tend to lean into. Instead of just playing the notes on a keyboard etc. its like creating a collage of sound that you can gain inspiration from.

Its just one way to use these tools. If you use it as a microwave the food will taste bad but if you use it to prepare an ingrediant of your sonic recipe its can create some tasty options to use in the final meal.

 

If I compose a song at home or a band records a record in the studio and I don't use AI, I am free and live just as I did before without AI. Why should I, as a musician, get involved with AI?

That is why we must insist on the rule of law, i.e. write and apply laws or enforce the existing rights so that those who have produced works, images, paintings, music remain protected from copyright. So only the rule of law can help against theft of intellectual property.

AI cannot be destroyed or prevented, technological progress cannot be stopped or banned.
However, the applications or data collection can be regulated by legal laws.

 

From this day forward, you won't be able to copyright AI music.

 

ChatGBT has been made redundant to DeepSeek. Who's next!

 

The battle for technological supremacy is between China (DeepSeek) and America (ChatGPT /Open AI).
The Chinese are so far a little more intelligent, a little more industrious and a little faster.

 

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Adding another technique like @curtified ones:

Upload 8 bars of a WIP into udio, get creative with percusion or any other things really (voices, lyrics, one shots) on the prompt, get a few runs, donwload the stems and you will have a nice seletion of sounds that are totally related to your WIP in a way that is very difficult and time consuming to achieve just by browsing samples, then that you can bring them back to the DAW to chop, process and incorporate them again.

You can use that techique on local using Stable Audio on comfyUI, with diferent results. Drop a drum loop, an bass stab, a neuro... put crazy things on the prompt and then denoise it by 0.5 or less (so it retains most of the original sound but add crazy things from the diffusion model): infinite variations of the same subject.

Diffusion models are really nice tools. Neural networks and deep learning are really good techs and will can work wonders for humanity. CEOs and shareholders are the real problem no matter the tech.

 

I’m fully on board with all of this. These tools are like the new autotune. You can use these algorithms to help your sounds in a way that wasn’t possible before. People see "AI" and get all upset, thinking that the one-in-a-trillion chance of their song being referenced in a generation means they should be compensated. But what about the 30 different Pultec EQP algorithms that are trained on how the original hardware works? Should Pultec or any other gear or amp company that’s been modeled get paid every time someone uses a plugin based on their design? Seems like we’re okay with that but not with AI.

As for the CEOs, I see your point. But just like my plugin comparison above, it takes a lot of time, money, and compute to make this work right now. The people who build, maintain, and update these tools should get paid.

I know we’re on the forum of the sister site where getting things for free is the norm. But we also have to take into account how costly this stuff is at its current state to sound good. Stable Audio is free, sure, but you get what you pay for there.

 

 

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AI music is bad but you can use AI to make good music. I'm not only talking about Suno, but no hints here, sorry. Things are already pretty cloudy and messy regarding AI and art, so you gotta figure out for yourself or just ignore it if you don't like. I'm not an endorser, and i will never be. At lest ATM where things are so plastic sounding and there're few ethics from AI companies and some users.

 

I use Ai all the time. It's helps with ideas, writer's block, and has generated some nice beats that I could use samples of. Ai should be seen as a tool to help you in your music creation, not replace you. Just my 2c.

 

Well, i have to say that electric/electronic stimulators have been experimentally used to boost brain activity for at least the past 20 years with a good success percentage. It all started in the research to help -seemingly- brain dead/"vegetable" people who are still alive (meaning they still breathe), but it has moved on to other areas too, with subjects being perfectly healthy people. AI's spread will only accelerate these researches. You ever seen Limitless? hehehe... Be ready to witness really crazy things if you live long enough hehe.

AI is humanity's creation. Not politicians'. Where they come into play is because humanity relies on leaders since its first ever societies. Whether we like it or not the politicians etc. etc. are the leaders of our global society. They can pull strings of enormous magnitude, rage wars and whatnot and it's all done with or without our approval. So i am sorry but your rant although understandably romantic, it 's also pointless as it suggests nothing, just blames specific casts and money as the root of all evil.
Cheers

 

Politicians are the worst plague - they are twice as bad as any natural disaster!

"Imagine there's a war and no one goes"

 

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Politicians are raised in the society that humans created. If a child grows up a bad person, who's to blame? Politicians are definitely humanity's creation, whether we want to believe it or not. Go check this video by George Carlin

Cheers.

 

And this will magically make 'em disappear? hehehe...

Sure and then the second coming happens and we all go to heaven or rather straight to hell lol... What are you saying mate, get real please. Wherever whenever there's people's unresolved major interest, there's dispute and eventually war. It might be on a minuscule level or a major conflict, but it is inevitable that wars will happen shaping the global status from the dawn of civilization and unfortunately, it is the winners who write the history books... Truth gets buried and lost or forgotten through time, whole generations are diminished, heck even a whole indigenous race was 99.9% eradicated from the face of the earth in the -so called- conquest of America. People, we have a tendency to forget easily. And then we start with all these rants about politicians and wars etc etc like it is not our common fault, like we haven't played a role in the grand scheme of things. Well. We are all fucking responsible. Burying your head in the sand like an ostrich or playing it saint or sanctimonious doesn't help any of these go away.
Cheers

 

Say no to war and yes to peace, don't take part in war. Refuse military service, don't believe the daily propaganda.

Make music and not war!