Hi,
Are demo songs from keyboards / synthesisers actually protected by copyright ?
For example the demo song from the yamaha PSS-480.

Thanks

Theo

 

everything is by default so the answer is yes
will it ever be enforced? probably not

 

Basically, anything that involves a certain amount of "effort" is protected. In German, this is called "Schöpfungshöhe". (Threshold of originality.) The details depend on the country or jurisdiction in which you live.
In the case of a demo song, I would assume that the (stored) recording itself is protected, but not the composition. (You could therefore play the melody with your own instruments.)

Have you checked the documentation that came with your keyboard to see if there are any references to copyright or licence terms?

 

I recall that song in the early '80s by Trio, Da Da Da... I asked ChatGPT.

'Trio used the preset sound from the Casio VL-Tone 1 keyboard for their hit song "Da Da Da." Since they used a preset sound from a commercially available keyboard, they likely did not have to pay Yamaha for its use. Preset sounds on keyboards are generally intended for public use, and musicians can use them in their compositions without needing to pay additional licensing fees.'

Leonard Cohen also used a preset drums and rhythm for one of his songs over which he played the lead synth line and sang.

'Leonard Cohen's "Tower of Song" from the album I'm Your Man uses a preset drum and synth sound from the Technics SX-K350 keyboard'

 

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In the case of the Yamaha PSS-480, the manufacturer, Yamaha, would be the copyright holder of the demo songs.
If you want to use these songs, it is important to respect the license terms that come with the device or software.

To be sure, send a request to Yamaha.

Yamaha EZ 250i (copyright DEMO songs) part 1 / 3

 

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My examples don't answer your question, you really need to look at the current terms and conditions from each manufacturer.

 

They basically used from the VL1 a preset sound and a preset rhythm that gave the song its signature.

Same was for Gorillaz - Clint Eastwood, using a preset riff from another (toy) keyboard - Suzuki Omnichord(?).

 

Yeah, I had one around 1980, it was actually my first keyboard/synth. Pretty sure there's a VST emulation of it.

 

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As I understand it, under American law copyright exists at the moment of creation of any intellectual property. The problem comes when you try to prove that in court at some point- that's why it's good to have forms and official things filled out. Then comes the process of arguing well, how much does A actually sound like B, and the judge flips a coin, determines who's actually richer and more famous and decides.

 

I remember Yamaha using „Last Christmas“ and „My Heart Will Go On“ as demo songs:

Probably not copyrighted

 

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the full story: https://medium.com/micro-chop/the-o...e-sounds-of-synclavier-ii-record-659061d90b37

 

There is a video from IG (i can't find right now) of someone showing that Swiss Beats used a somg demo from a synthesizer as a full beat. I know the song melody, but can't remember the title. There was a dominant horn patch and the song was a hit. Swiss even commented to confirm it.

 

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At the beginning of their friendship, Paul McCartney advised the young Michael Jackson to secure the rights to other people's songs. That was the real gold. How the King of Pop ended up buying the Beatles' catalog is a curious story.

It begins with McCartney and John Lennon founding Northern Songs, the Beatles' music publishing company, with their manager Brian Epstein and music publisher Dick James in 1963. The publishing company managed 251 McCartney/Lennon compositions. After Epstein's death in 1967, the shares changed and Northern Songs became the property of a company called ATV. McCartney and Lennon (or his heirs) continued to receive their share as composers, but had no say or right to share in licensing agreements, for example.

When the King of Pop died, his heirs sold the rights for $750 million. After Paul McCartney sued the buyer, both parties came to an agreement in 2017. Paul McCartney was probably not primarily interested in the money. The singer-songwriter is considered the richest musician in the world. His desire to get the rights to the Beatles' hits back probably has other reasons. Obtaining the rights closes a circle for him. He has everything in his own hands again and can pass on his legacy to posterity.

www.gema.de/de/w/urheberrecht-beatles-michael-jackson

 

Of course there are numerous VST emulations of it as well as sample sets with all the sounds. In the early eighties we made a complete cover version of the album Rubber Soul y the Beatles only with Casio VL Tone 1s. I tell that because the sound programming in the VL1 is not emulated in the sample sets. If you want to really dig into this great machine you have to have real emulation.

 

Absolutely yes. Here:
Casio VL-Tone Emulator
A really good thing is that it's not a rompler, but a real emulator.

 

Casio VL-TONE VL-1 Full Review

 

me, because i had one of those in the late 80s, well i want to do a remix of the demo track:

I like this song very much.

 

I would just use it as long as your mix ends up in the charts or on TV!!!
The sound has probably appeared on the internet a few times. In theory you are advertising for Yamaha...!