Hi y'all,

The other day I was looking for IK Multimedia's Sunset Reverb on my plugin setup drive, and was horrified that I'd deleted it.

Not being one who takes two seconds to reflect upon the potential reasons why I'd deleted it (didn't find it useful? felt claustrophobic in their 360 degree vocal booth pictures?), I went on sister site to give it another shot, and to my extreme disappointment, found out it was no longer available.

DMCA takedown? Fine. Companies are allowed to be jerks.

However, there were tons of other IK plugins, readily available, different versions of the same plugins, instruments, sample libraries...

Went on that Russian site -same thing.

So it got me wondering why ONE plugin from a company gets a takedown request while others are up and running?

Is it Sunset Sound who said "IK, we love you, you're our brothers and sisters, but don't let our brand be soiled on those godless platforms" ?

So many questions, so little time to answer..

 

LOL, I had a small search cause after a small test run when it came out, I lost interest in it and lo and behold, it is part of T-Racks 6.....
Mystery solved
Cheers

I tried it again, on a dry piano sound, claire, and was amazed it how different the different rooms etc sounded. Thanks for reminding!

 

Last edited: Nov 19, 2024 at 10:09 AM

this is the reason i always save my plugins on harddrives , pendrives , cloud so i dont have to depend on companies to make music

 

D'oh, I forgot T-Racks includes the separate plugins Thanks !

 

Me tooooo but I am used to that at 62. Much to much unused shit you forget about after a while. Like what was the name of that plugin I used once 10 years ago. Most of the time I do remember the look.

 

Question still stands though : why do SOME plugins by a company get taken down, while others remain?

 

They are only removed if the DMCA reports it and then they are removed immediately. If none of the manufacturers reports the copyright infringement to the DMCA, the DCMA will not take action. I think the companies' workload is so great that they just let it go. Or it is in progress and the DCMA cannot issue warnings to everyone.

 

Last edited: Nov 19, 2024 at 6:37 PM

takedowns are often (usually?) not handled by the companies themselves but are outsourced to companies who provide this as a service.
it may be as simple as them being behind in paying/between providers, a script/algorithm/AI failing on a particular combination of words, the site being down when they tried, or a million other reasons, but these days I'd vote bad AI
it's great computers fail as often as they do so us IT can have jobs

 

Are you sure there was a single Release of the Reverb Plugin on Sister Site?

Maybe you just mixed things up and installed it from an T-Racks Bundle back than.

 

You make it sound like DMCA is an agency or something, like Interpol. Are you trolling now too? The DMCA is a US copyright law. The request to remove the material is sent from the copyright holders or one of their representatives. It is a notification of a claim of infringement. In the case of user supplied material, the website or service has a short period of time to remove the content, or make it inaccessible. If it is not, the copyright owner can proceed with other options they may or may not have.

 

It's not about the behaviour of various devs but about one dev and his various plugins. Jeez.

 

First of all, I answered @triggerflipper's question directly:
Question still stands though: why do SOME plugins by a company get taken down, while others remain?
The answer is actually "WE DON'T KNOW" or better yet @clone answer his question.

The DCMA sounds harmless but if you don't allow the deletion, they put the platform where they are under pressure, because everyone knows that you end up in court with a judge and a charge and that will probably be expensive. Every platform would rather delete their account than deal with the DMCA.

I myself had to deal with the DMCA twice, supposedly 2 of my sound sets that I created myself contained copyright infringements. But I couldn't find any copyright infringements.

My own experience is:

Case 1: So you get an email where the corresponding sound set is mentioned, then they write that you can make a statement about it within a short period of time. I did that. Nothing happened, no confirmation of receipt and no reply. In the end, MediaFire simply deleted all the sound sets I had on it. No objection possible.

Case 2: I have an account with KVR as a creator with my sound sets, I received a message from a user saying that he was from the DMCA and that I had committed a copyright infringement in sound set XY, I then deleted the sound set and months later renamed it and uploaded it again. I then blocked the DMCA user on KVR.

 

We absolutely do know why some plugins are taken down and others are not. If no DMCA takedown notification is sent to the OSP (Online Service Provider), then the material is not taken down. If one is sent and it is a legit representative of the copyright holder, and this is not disputed by the OSP, the material is taken down. As evidenced even by your own example, they usually just comply because it is easier and without risk to just delete the infringing material.

So then the next question, is why do some developers and "record labels" products have DMCA notifications sent to OSP's about them? And the answer is because they care about the infringement; and have either hired someone such as a service, or attorney, to do that work for them.

A better question, is how those copyright holders' representatives find the material on various Online Services/Websites? The same ways downloaders do, they know where to look.

 

from my own understanding, after all these years I've been here :

1. dev or the company that provided the DRM for them hired a separate agent that find their stuff leaked online and report it to DMCA (or give notice to the site mod) to be taken down. This company even search for the file itself from file storage provider (katfile, rapidgator) and request the file been taken down. I have read somewhere they are capable of scanning the content of a zip/rar file to 2 layers or something, so the content will be detected even when packaged 2 times. They still can't directly for the way R2R/DECiBEL etc packed the releases for now, it just will slow down the process for max 1 day as once the file is released, it will be detected anyway. I think these are the same company that go on all the Youtube archive and claim for copyright and file for stupid lawsuit claiming your content is somehow copying their client's.

2. some dev do it themselves because they doesnt want their product to be listed, they either go through the DMCA and then DMCA reacted or they just privately PM the site's mods of the sites because there a channel where they can do that. It's the law, site must have a channel for that if im not mistaken.

3. some just cry (ahem.. ada... szoboszlai.. ahem).. so it gets annoying and mod rather not have their stuff posted and sometimes quickly take it down when the drama getting out of control. <-- the worst

4. some threaten the site/mod with lawyers or some shit (ie. Cableguys, Audiotent) so their stuff probably last 2 seconds before the mod take it down. It's the loophole of the law where the one that run the site isn't the one posting. The "wrong" part is posting, so as a responsible site owner, they need to take it down so they dont break the law. It's a public space, everyone can post, nobody knows anybody for real. Just playing around the loophole.

5. some dev think of it as free promotion and doesnt mind their stuff being shared, so they do nothing about it.

6. some locked their stuff for years and it affect their sales, and they finally decided to let their product out in the sea because it's a better marketing move, ie. Steinberg. They dont bother take anything down these days I guess, because that's their marketing plan, and let more people getting exposed to Cubase/Nuendo and finally buy it once they like which is how it is with most DAWs and plugins.

7. everything above is not 100% facts, it's just how I understand it based on things I've seen and read here.

 

Last edited: Nov 20, 2024 at 12:21 AM