i keep saying this and ill keep saying it the best DAW is the best one that. works for you and your workflow i Started with Cubase 32 on an Amiga light years ago dabbled a bit with Logic & Protools out of necessity FL ,ACID,Reason and for the recond go round with Studio one (only because i bought a faderport and its built for that and it was developed by the same guys that. were developers of Cubase) although S1 i find is alot like cubase there are some maddening things about it to and i find myself again using Cubase. is Cubase the best? prolly not but for me they way its layed out that. there is multipal ways to do things there no absolute right way to do things that works for me. ive tried all of them and i keep coming back to Cubase

 

Even cheesy companies use celebrity endorsements on their product pages, that's one more ridiculous argument from you. Those endorsements don't prove the quality of the product if they are not fake they a paid ones. You should already know that

commercial success in our days more often means good marketing not talent.
You put some Deadmouse endorsements as an argument, I say he is not an authority for me.
Thats pure demagoguery from you side.
What do you want from me to prove here haha? I could even not make music at all and as music consumer and listener I have every right to say his music is trivial shite.

"You don't need to be a pastry chef to tell the difference between shit and candy."

 

Nah, it's reality. As i said what you use doesn't make you a better musician/producer.
What companies do with endorsements is a way of letting potential buyers know what they could achieve with their soft, (I need to add) in an imaginary ideal world of course. Which addresses the fact that all companies have their advertised celeb users, with Avid being the biggest of them all. It is inevitable and even inescapable if you are a newbie in music production that you will stumble upon these adverts and half the youngsters will be affected. Whether you fall for something or not that's up to anyone's thinking ability and taste really.
My point is, you gotta understand that how the world spins, is different from what we like or don't.

Sure. Not that it means much. Not impressed and i could even agree if it wasn't so black and white haha, because i can argue for years that everything can be trivial shite. Just so you know, polarized opinions are the start of demagoguery.

Hmm how many times have i eaten candy that tasted like shit lol. Looks and smells can be deceiving.

 

There is a saying: Stealing is part of the job.

It is very rare that people thank or appreciate what the generation before them invented and it is hard to imagine the conditions under which they worked back then.

Most people don't even know where it all comes from and who invented it and who improved it, they use the old music devices, electricity already comes out of the socket and everything is already there today.

Who invented the microphone, who invented electricity, who produces electricity, which people work in the factories and under which conditions, how long did electrical experts rack their brains and research so that we can sit at the PC today and use all these great things.

 

No matter what music editors say, no matter what the advertising says: A product remains a product, it doesn't get better or worse if it is advertised well or badly. If a product represents added value for them and they find it useful and can use it, they buy the product.

A software engineer is not a marketing person and marketing people are not sound engineers. And bankers who lend out loans are only interested in repaying the loan.

It is only because we have exceptional, creative, intelligent people with a heart for music that a very good product sometimes comes out and if the DAW manufacturers do their job so well that they take the needs of the users into account, they will also sell their product successfully.
If you are a developer and plan and develop a DAW, you write a concept and go to the bank with the concept, the banker then decides whether to give you a loan.

Then you work with the loan for years and when the DAW v1.0 is ready, go to the marketplace and offer it to people.
If you only sell 100 units, you won't be able to pay back the loan and you'll be broke, if you sell 100,000 units, you can pay back your loan and continue to pay your employees. The competition never sleeps and you really have to use all your intelligence and make the right decisions to remain competitive.

Then come the magazines and online blogs that test your products, if you do everything right and listen to your buyers or users and fix errors and add features that users want, you will stay on the market and the company and your job will be secure.

 

do you kno stefan schmidt ?

debateable terming

absolutly correct

 

studio one its the best for good workflow, i hate ableton in this area cause i dont get why u need to click so specific to selec things or midi clips, instantly replace them like i didnt care... etc...
studio one its the best one, the native plugins are okay but i dont use them, but the arrangement tool and that it doesnt overlap while im recording its beatiful.

 

If you are actually making music using your DAW, and if it is running perfectly where you do not need to interact with Steinberg *at all*, then it pretty much is. It's impossible to say it isn't.

If you are professionally recording and mixing *other people's work*, it's just as difficult to say you shouldn't be working in Protools.
For one, anywhere else you go; you will be expected to know it. It's a cross-platform solution. And for such purposes, "everyone else uses it" is a valuable thing. It has nothing to do with "keeping up with the Joneses" or elitism or anything of the sort. You wouldn't learn Microsoft Paint instead of Adobe products in school for graphics, you wouldn't learn Maya instead of Solidworks if you were a manufacturing engineer, and you wouldn't learn how to figure skate to become a downhill skier. It is the accepted tool for the job within the industry.

None of these DAWs are like some Acustica program that searches your hard disks to see if you are installing other options behind its back. They are not a religion where you can't use others. Except for Motu Performer, because that is like joining some obscure cult. Learn all of them when you have the chance and the time.

 

There are some objectively good DAWs and some objectively bad ones. Most are objectively good because most are capable of producing results that are world class and offer workflows that, once understood, are pretty much optimal.
Your choice.

 

Do you mean this one? www.stefanschmidmusic.com

 

from reading his bio i guess not ,stefan schmidt was appearing in every credits on every ni plugin or instrument back in the day .
EDIT stephan schmitt it is sorry ...

 

I started with Cubase and Atari Mega 4 in the early 90s, loved it. It was so stable you could leave it on for days and just continue working on your song. Then came PC and Cubase became very unstable and crashed often, so I obviously had to look for a different DAW. I tried many and Reaper became my DAW of choice because it was as stable as Cubase with Atari. Simple. a DAW that crashes doesn't work for me and a lot of them crash and wipe your "painting" away in an instance. Reaper doesn't.

 

lol

 

Personally, I have used steiny stuff for a long time - i.e. Cubase, Nuendo, Wavelab, Halion, Dorico, etc.. I have incorporated Protools into the fray over the years as well (12.5 HD). I keep Reaper around for smaller simpler projects that don't require a lot of midi. I use Protools mainly for final exported audio track mixdowns where the Protools audio engine "sound" is preferred. Any projects that require a great deal of MIDI tracking it's back to Cubase/Nuendo. Nuendo being used more in a audio for video capacity - like syncing sound effects and or MIDI hits to a video track.

Been doing it all on PC for years and never really had stability issues with any or all of the DAW's I use. Been lucky I guess.

 

You don't have to. Like FL Studio and Bitwig, Reaper can use x86 plugins aswell as x64 ones. Just put the folder containing the x86 vsts into the vst search options and you're good to go.

 

It's funny to see how in 2024 people are using PT less and less... Avid's way of making business had its consequences, after all.

 

Same reason I am using Logic. Even if some sketchy plugin or Virus hard crashes Logic, I don't even have to reboot unlike on my laptop with single CPU. I never lose anything.

 

Logic is my favorite. I am also excited to learn FL and Ableton eventually, but for now Logic is my main and ONLY daw (aside from Plugindoctor of course, which at this point is like a 2nd DAW to me)

 

The first DAW I ever used was Cubase, for a short while, then I discovered FL studio and stayed there ever since.
Its been 10 years now. I like the way it looks, with my added pics in the background, all customised to my convenience and over time, I found my way around to quickly do what I need to do.
Two years in, I finally discovered what "consolidate track" does LOL and since then we're even bigger buddies!
I am able to put together the most complex and detailed tracks I make and I know that I still haven't discovered all it has to offer!
I'd say try the top 5 or 10 best and then you'll get a good idea about which one suits your needs and serves you best as those aspects tend to be personal, and the DAW that likes you best will choose you.

 

Oh ok so thats where PreSonus come from, I was curious because it around in my time so to speak. I'm definitely going to check that one out too.

Indeed, I agree if you don't have the talennt, the investors and the funds as the markets evolve if a bigger company doesn't offer to buy you out you're pretty much dead in the water.

I hate the whole 32 and 64 bnit shit.. like any dummy when I come back on to windows 10 after coming from XP, I thought that x86 was bigger than x64 bit, signifying by the numner being larger. That being said I was installing things to the wrong directories lol. I was so shocked to see I couldn't use Steinberg Hypersonoic anyore without Jbridge. I kept loading FL and refreshing plugs and I was like wtf I know I installed that shit in the right directory lol, it wouldnt appear in the list.

Who would have EVER thought that cel phones would advance so much that you could actually use them to produce music? I remember having to program numbers and sequences into my candy bar Erickson just to get a mono ring tone, and then it might take you an hour to put in the code.