It seems like it's the advice everyone is giving, so yeah, two (x2) sticks kit of 3600Mhz DDR4 RAM is the way to go with 5900X, probably nothing wrong with what you already have, but guess it's worth mentioning, probably someone more knowledgeable can expand on that too.

 

Both the case and cooler i mentioned in my edited earlier post for a supposed X670E build, are fully compatible with what you got. Beware the Torrent case is on the expensive side of mid towers around 165€. A cheaper but also top airflow case is the Lian Lin Lancool II Performance with Mesh front, around 100€ and comes with 3 PWM (that is controllable via mobo's BIOS) fans.
The Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360 retails at around 85-90€ and right now is the cheapest triple fan liquid AIO that is also quality made and can be very silent at around 28-30 dbs even with a 16core cpu. It actually comes at the same price as a top Noctua air cooler but it can cool better and maintain low noise in full loads (around 38-40db with a 5950X on 100% stress test with fans set to silent).

With ddr4 and ddr5, as long as you keep within the recommended spec you can put 4 sticks there np, but it's going to be a lil slower and i will explain why a little later. Going beyond the manufacturer's recommendation is considered an overclock and users have to be really experienced with bios and manual voltage settings in order to run any faster ram. Now there's more in play to this like the cpu's memory controller and the mobo's ram dedicated vrm but typically there's two things to know about ram in desktop mobos:
Ram slots in mobos can either have a T-Topology or a Daisy Chain layout. These layouts differ in the way ram slots connect electrically to the cpu. Simply put, T-Topology will run faster with 4 sticks. Daisy Chain is optimized to run faster with 2 sticks. All Ryzen compatible mobos (except Threadripper ones) to my knowledge are Daisy Chain mobos. Which means it's better to have 2x32gb on your Ryzen mobo than 4x16gb. So, a four stick option is only if the user needs max memory and needs tweaking for the best results possible.
Cheers

 

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Can't thank you enough for all these explanations, you really helped me a lot I wish I could select 2 answers as best answers lol

Anyway, I'll go through your last post and read everything.

I think that I will keep my ram as it is, because it would cost so much changing. Also am curious if: if I change only the CPU (the cheapest option for me now), in the "cheapest/urgent situation", the next required purchase would be the cooler OR the case?

I mean, what would be an obligatory purchase between the case or the cooler (if any)? To maximize my results, spending the least possible among the choices you suggested to me (I came to this conclusion because I didn't think I could change CPU without changing Mobo, now I do, thanks to you all )

 

Hello JudoLudo, I recommend these two products to you:

CPU COOLER: DARK ROCK PRO 4 - € 69,24 --> https://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler/1378
PC CASE: PURE BASE 600 - €72,89 --> https://www.bequiet.com/en/case/pure-base-600/4368

Case: BeQuit cools a little better than Fraktal. It is also soundproof. You have to take the closed version, not the one with glass.
CPU Cooler: Since the Rhyzen produces extreme temperatures, it needs to be cooled reliably and as quietly as possible.

 

thank you!

sadly here in Italy both of those pieces of hw cost 100€ lol idk why

where are you seeing prices? it could help me a lot

 

First in Germoney --> https://geizhals.de/be-quiet-dark-rock-4-bk021-a1794867.html

then make a Mouseclick to:

You can also order in Germany and have it delivered to Italy. The postage/shipping may be more expensive.

Click the on CSV ( The prices shown are only valid if you enter directly via this page)


CSV --> International shipping
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Shipping is only carried out by DHL.

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1.) be quiet! Pure Base 600 Schwarz Midi Tower Gehäuse ATX/mATX/Mini-ITX
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2.) be quiet Pure Base 600 Schwarz
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Delivery to other countries on request.

 

That's highly incorrect and in the sphere of impossible hehe.
A friendly advice, the thing with googling and AI answers is you don't always get the correct one.
The Pure Base 600 can be somewhat low noise but it's terrible in airflow since it's a closed case. Which means components inside will suffer high temps, especially the gpu.

It's not. Its sides are insulated with a rubber pad.
The new BeQuiet Lightbase 600 however, is a very good case that borrows from LianLi's 011 design with airflow from bottom to the top. After all the PureBase 600 is a 2017 model. Also the Torrent from Fractal along with Lian Li's 011 Dynamic Evo are probably the best industrial designs and well built cases around.
The thing with noise is simple. Good airflow cases will always win the noise test because you can set the intake/exhaust fans to very low speed and still maintain enough cooling for the interior while keeping noise at unnoticeable levels. Closed cases are a thing of the past and nobody pretty much introduces new models. Even Be Quiet themselves who were kings of the insulated closed cases before, they focus on airflow cases the last 3-4 years.
@JudoLudo With any high end cpu an aftermarket cooler is a mandatory purchase. They go together.
Cheers

 

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Hello my friend, I have 2 Fractal cases myself:
1. Fractal Design - Define R4 Black Pearl, soundproof - 86 EUR
2. Fractal Design Define R5 insulated Midi Tower black - 118.89 EUR
And last year I read a test somewhere where someone wrote that BeQuit has better cooling due to the temperature measurements in the PC, the tester had a list of temperatures and BeQuit was ahead, which is why I posted it here. The BeQuit is also cheap, just right for people with a tight budget.
If I was wrong, I apologize!
I have fitted the Fractal cases with additional floor fans,
Please refrain from giving such friendly advice, which is based on pure assumption. Do some research on how he can get his parts to Italy cheaply, it won't work without network research.
Be a little more arrogant and we'll both get along.

Well, that's a good start - denying the other person's competence. I'm a fan of closed cases and have already done a lot of insulation myself to get a quiet PC. With fans that spin at 800 RPM Skythe and a Noctua CPU fan, I managed to put together a PC that really makes almost no noise.

I also have a fan controller from Akasa. The RGB lighting inventions were the latest source of money for the PC industry, hence the glass side panels. It used to be about "Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC)!

 

I ask a friend he live in Italy, he say:

I see they sell them on amazon.it It shouldn't be a problem.


https://www.amazon.it/quiet-riposizionabili-preinstallate-completamente-insonorizzato/dp/B01N9ONQSK

here

https://www.playeronepc.it/prodotto...ZOktbkaVR5jCmuyL9Nl539FGIGRiIa0_a7PwIvQ_XTR6R

 

To earn the "competent" title you have to refrain from repeatedly writing things as "BeQuit" but most of all speaking with facts not fiction and fanboyism. Like referring to the BeQuiet case as "soundproof" and has better cooling than i don't know what. Because it has no cooling lol. It has a small whole on the side front which is insufficient for airflow and even when it was current, it was at the bottom of all thermal charts. Its only merits are a well built chassis and being sort of silent. Because once you read cpu/gpu and vrm temps on this case you 'd want all the fans set to 100% and then it's no longer a silent case. Unless you like your cpu idling at 60C lol.

With no link, you just defend what you wrote. You read a post somewhere and such, is all hearsay for 15 yo. Reviews from trusted sources and hands on experience with thermal and noise testing are the only things that matter. So here, try to find a closed case in any of these:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-pc-cases,4183.html
https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-pc-cases
Gamers Nexus (part of more tests)

And even from 2020. Here you will find the best of the Define cases the Define7 being at the bottom of a very long list. Oh and near the top without the front panel hahaha.

Which means you like tinkering with the wrong kind of hardware, or almost. Silent pc does not imply a closed insulated case. This was a thing back in the Pentium 4 era. That is the worse type of case for the components' health anyway. But even if it was fine which it isn't, every company has turned to airflow cases since they offer the best noise to temp ratio. Even BeQuiet.
I built a 7950X pc last December based on LianLi's 011 Dynamic Evo XL. That case with 3 Noctua black fans as bottom intake and a triple radiator liquid AIO, despite the 3 side glass, was measured at 24db @ 1meter at 75% cpu load. We couldn't actually hear it but hey it's what decibel meters are made for. This pc stands at the side desk of a neatly soundproof control room in a recording studio where silence is golden. Ambient temp inside the case was 25C.
Pic of the control room, pc's out of the picture focus on the left (not my studio and to whom it may concern, yes those are Dell touchscreen displays, my client is kinky like that haha)

So if i may kindly suggest look around you, the world and industrial designs evolve and it's not a matter of making money out of rgb. Nobody serious enough cares for that anyway. With that said, i don't mind people who like their bling too as long as the "essential substance" is there in the first place.
Cheers

 

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I can only partially follow your reasoning. Yes, it is clear that the heat generated by the CPU, power supply, graphics card and HDDs, i.e. the waste heat, is the decisive factor.

When the CPU is running at full load, the CPU fan rotates faster and faster to reduce the temperature of the CPU. To explain to someone what they could buy, I think they call it Silent PC Case and BeQuit is a company from Germany, so the user knows straight away what it is about, namely that there are insulated cases.

You should install 140 or 120 fans that are as large as possible, which rotate slowly and cool the hard drives as much as possible and the graphics card and the mainboard with a bottom fan and then the heat has to get out of the case, so an inverted fan at the outlet. I recently installed Bequit fans in the Fraktal case, 900 RPM, they are quiet.

You really are a weird guy, the way you talk?

I drew a template for a CoolerMaster when there were no floor fans and sawed it out to put in a 140mm fan at 800 rpm. That brought a lot of cooling - Well, Taskforce, don't brag, of course there were no Lian cases like that a few years ago. You were happy to install 2 or 3 fans at the front and a floor fan.
Are you surely part of the younger generation? Yes, Taskforce, the Lian thing is great - I believe you too - I recently saw that Lian had put its power supplies at the front, yes, that's great, but I had already bought the Fraktal case. Otherwise it would have been the Lian.

Well, that's the magic word: kindly - I'll say thank you!

But somehow you didn't even address why glass side doors are suddenly becoming popular and there aren't that many manufacturers who build silent cases. Today's young people want RG, it has to be colorful and not boring, the industry is gearing itself towards these customers and the products are accordingly. Marketing 1x1!

Most of them are gamers and a quiet PC is usually not wanted or, in other words, there is no need for one. Which case under 100 EUR would you recommend (for users who don't have that much money)?

 

be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 White 140x140x25mm 900 Umin 14.7 dB(A) € 14,69

Noctua - NH-D15 chromax.black - € 125,90

Max. rotation speed (+/-10%) 1500 RPM
Max. rotation speed with L.N.A. (+/-10%) 1200 RPM
Min. rotation speed @ 20% PWM (+/-20%) 300 RPM
Max. volume flow 140.2 m³/h
Max. volume flow with L.N.A. 115.5 m³/h
Max. noise level 24.6 dB(A)
Max. noise level with L.N.A. 19.2 dB(A)
Operating voltage 12 V
MTTF > 150,000 h

 

Fans take ambient air from inside the case and then blow onto a cooler. Air does not appear from nowhere. Simple physics imply that the warmer the interior of the case is, the less potent is the cpu cooling no matter how good a fan or more maybe.

I talk tech lingo mate. If you find it weird i will take that as a compliment because i am many things, weird is not one of them. Idiosyncratic could be close enough. But hey maybe having an affection for accuracy is the new weird right now?

LIanLi abandoned the general aluminum case & their silver design in 2015 and switched to airflow designs for most cases. As for the particular 011 Dynamic design main idea which is intake from the bottom but configurable with modular parts for various builds, it's been out 6 years now. Perhaps you may call this recent but in pc tech world this is a long time.

I am weirdly sure (pun intended), i am quite older than thee sir.

What sudden are you talking about. The Antec Super Lanboy dates back to 2003 and the Rosewill 155 is from 2004 and they both were really popular cases and had a glass side panel. I had a Lanboy myself, i would carry it to my friend's house where we would do a weekend long HOMM 3 lol.
Why address the side panels anyway. Didn't i talk about rbg and said nobody serious cares for it? Because glass side panels follow the exact same rule. Aaahh perception lack here or at least written form misunderstanding. Whether i agree or not tempered glass side panels are here to stay. People like their aesthetics.
I also addressed what makes a pc case silent but you seem to have another idea than the majority of the specialized case industry. Btw, the only absolutely silent case is one with passive cooling and no fans like the MonsterLabo Beast. But even this will handle up to an 8core without any fans installed. Its fanless mode is 150W TDP.

Errr the Chromax 120mm case fan is 26€. What you wrote is a cooler+fan lol.
Oh and case fans are not cpu fans. They each belong to different categories as they are optimized for different purposes, something that you seem to bypass completely. It's ok though.
Anyway the Noctua Chromax fans vs ShadowWings2.
1. Shadow Wings 2 and Chromax deliver about the same noise levels under load. The BeQuiet SW2 3-6 db less at max. But.
2. Noctua Chromax delivers ~9 degrees Celcius better cooling than the SilentWings2. And this is a huge difference in performance. You get what paid for as they say hehe. This also means you can set the Noctuas to match SW2's noise levels and still get better cooling. Get it?
3. Last but not least, Chromax comes with a 6 years warranty, SilentWings 2 has 3 years.
And with the comparison metrics chart here, fairwell.

 

Last edited: Oct 22, 2024 at 10:27 PM

Lian-Li-Lancool-216 RGB is a decent case; a non-RGB variant also exists. for cooler the Deepcool AK620 Zero Dark perform very well it's also compatible with AM5 if you want to upgrade in the feature.

 

Hello Taskforce, I hope Google Translate translates everything correctly. Your first sentence is wrong. Fans suck in air from the room and blow it into the case - often past hard drives towards the motherboard cooler. If the air outside is cooler than in the PC case, the air from the blowing-in fan absorbs the heat, and an outgoing fan should then blow the heated air out of the case. In the best case, they have a chimney effect.

If it's 28 degrees in your apartment in the summer, the CPU will spin much faster (PWM fan) to cool the CPU, so blowing-in fans are of little use. Some people put a fan in front of their open case in the summer, because the PC would otherwise shut down at a temperature of around 70-80 degrees C, which is set in the BIOS. The aim, Taskforce, is to achieve proper, sensible cooling of all components, as we know that the warmer it is, the faster capacitors die.

The choice of case: I chose Fraktal Define, an insulated case, because the HDDs were too loud and the vibrations multiply in an uninsulated case. Today we have SSDs which represent technological progress, everyone loves them.

Example: You have a PC case in a room that is 21 degrees, the CPU has a temperature of 44.9 degrees C --> the CPU fan rotates at 556 revolutions per minute (RPM). It consumes 36 watts of power, the power supply has to work very little and the power supply fan rotates slowly and quietly. The two SSDs have a temperature of 33 °C and 29 C.

The passive graphics card (has no fans) has a temperature of 37 C, the 140 floor fan with 900 revolutions blows air at 21 degrees to the passive graphics card. Warm air is known to rise. Now the exhaust fan with 900 revolutions, which is located at the top of the case, draws or sucks the warm air out of the case. The temperature of the mainboard is 27C.

Well, we agree on that. Taskforce Liam builds very good cases and is innovative. Fraktal also builds very good high-quality cases. Noctua builds some of the best fans and CPU coolers in the world. The company BeQuit builds some of the best and most powerful power supplies in the world. I paid 145 EUR for a 1.5 KG Noctua.

The Cromax costs 27 EUR here. Please remember that not everyone has that much money. Next time, please write how much the fun costs. And please don't treat your fellow human beings like idiots, let's treat each other with dignity.

I've been sitting in front of a PC since 1998 and have assembled and repaired many PCs for myself and others. I know Windows 95, Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 10 and 11. I appreciate your commitment and expertise!

 

Even my 5600X does low latency recording fine, so I can only imagine how'd it be like with 5800x, or even a 5950x

 

Oh lolz. That was referring to a cpu fan mate. Case fans have no cooler anyway. And it means to show that when your case is closed and insulated, the heat inside the case does not permit adequate cpu cooling or at the very least has your cpu fan(s) at 90%-100% all the time.

Which cpu is that may i ask? If this temp refers to an idle cpu is quite high. For example my 5950X idles at 34C. Other 5950X cpus idle at around 36-37C with something like a Noctua NH-D15 or similar air cooler etc. Personally, i don't do air coolers for the last 5-6 years, unless it's a 6 or 8 core cpu. Not that it matters much with idle temps. These are mostly affected by the internal case temperature. With Ryzen9/Core i9 i always go for CLCs as they offer convenience with less maintenance and better cooling on the long run.

Well, i try to keep it civil mate, i don't think i ever swore at ya. It is not my intention to undermine anyone's ability, if i rubbed you the wrong way it is because i thought you went asking for it, but i am cheeky like that. Seeing though you are using a translator (i don't), all bad things may happen and it's easy to get lost in translation. So yes, i admit sometimes i come as aggressive, but i like to think it's mostly in a playful way if you know what i mean, so you will have to excuse me if anything that came across as insulting, i apologize.
Cheers
PS: Just fyi since you seem to be new in the forum. At 1998 i was already 32 years old

 

Last edited: Oct 23, 2024 at 12:33 PM

Thanks Taskforce for your kind words of valuable content. You are a nice, intelligent person and musican after all. I live in Germany and my school English is not that good, some things I just have to translate.

 

Last edited: Oct 23, 2024 at 1:58 PM