just sharing a video coverage on possible paths on what to expect in October 2025 once Windows 10 officially ends (or doesn't?)

most notably, Windows 10 LTSC 2021 shall remain fully supported until January 2027
(and older Windows 10 LTSC 2019 extended support ends in January 2029)

another noteworthy thing being Windows 11 installed on unsupported hardware won't receive feature updates automatically and may even need manual reinstalls of major upgrades (which is a great thing imo!)

 

I'm on W10 Pro for Workstations, I'll manually download and install the ESU updates (= security fixes until Oct 2028) if necessary. Not really worried. I'm confident there's an army of autists over at mydigitallife ready to take on the challenge of grafting ESU patches onto Windows 10 IoT Chinese Government Neon UwU Edition.

 

if ever you die before the extended period.

 

Windows died at the begining
Boring os

 

People seem to think its the end of the world if their operating system stops updating. No. The key is to get an operating system you like and then learn how to make it as secure as you can.

I have made Win7 far more secure than I ever could with 10. A strong firewall, Changes in my hardware router as well as the hosts file. No changes are made to my computer that I don't have to manually do myself.

In fact? The only issue I had was when the hard drive packed up and I had to restore the new one from a backup. Otherwise? I could merely turn my machine off and have it start exactly the same every time whilst being secure.

Why would I want to allow Microsoft to decide what updates I should have, or have anything installed I was not aware of?

 

I don't want any cloud services, AI, advertising, Microsoft Store, or any other network processes directly integrated into the operating system. I simply want an operating system that lets me do my work, doesn't get in my way, doesn't spy on me, and doesn't force any bloat on me.

Since that's apparently too much to ask nowadays, I will switch to Linux entirely once Windows 10 is no longer viable either from a security standpoint, or is no longer supported by the software I use.

If I can't get FL Studio to work under Linux, I will probably keep Windows 10 (or even 11, if I have to) on a separate PC that's disconnected from the internet and strictly for audio stuff. For gaming and literally everything else, I will switch to Linux and never look back.

 

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The only trouble with Linux though is its a bit of a culture shock porting across from Microsoft. it takes some getting use to.

 

real problem with Linux is lack of any software/hardware native compatibility most people use on Windows/MacOS (just like FL mentioned above),
sure it's not a big deal for home tinkering with pirated software, but no sane company/business would pay loads of money for workstations and software just to end up with mediocre performance through Wine and ugly user experience with zero chance for troubleshooting support from seller/publisher,
there are too many more enjoyable ways to waste time than use Linux as main workstation OS

 

Oh yes, I'm aware of that and I'm kinda scared actually. The Linux rabbit hole goes very deep, if you want to go beyond the surface level stuff. It will definitely take me some time, but it will be time well spent. I've been putting it off for too long but now Microsoft is finally giving me a reason to really learn Linux. So in a way, I'm grateful for them to put me off from touching their OS ever again.

 

i don't care about updates. i will use it the next 5+ years.

 

Hope you won't use it online.

 

You are not wrong. I use to use Cinnamon Mint and went once 3 weeks without booting it up.. When I did so it refused to load merely because I hadn't updated it. It took me AGES to work it out and by the time I did so, I got so disheartened with it.

Its a great way of spending a few hours if you have time to kill, but as you say.. in a proper studio environment, it's not logistically viable.

I started out in much the same way as you with Linux, and for the same reasons. The trouble was, every single setback wasn't like Windows where you type into google your problem and someone guides your hand. It's actually quite demoralising when you get further and further into it. I found, the more I learned, the less I knew. I got one of these Linux for Dummies books too.. That was great for the first 2 or 3 chapters when things looked easy. All of a sudden it felt as if I'd missed out an entire book of help. The realisation I knew nothing was soul destroying.

What you said is correct about going down the rabbit hole.. It's a real eye opener I assure you.

 

Have a feeling Win10 is next Win7 as far as audio goes, now gonna build my next decade AM4 rig with it and call it a day.

 

EXACTLY!

 

Then you need to grab a Ghostspectre image and install it. Or tinyOS or some other stripped down windows alternate build with all the garbage taken out or at least not installed by default.

 

Just install Windows 11. It's more optimized and well-supported by the manufacturers and software developers. I am a professional musician and software engineer, and I can tell you Windows 11 is much better. Just switch.

I see many people who don't have any deep knowledge of software engineering sticking to these old legacy systems with made-up reasoning and conspiracy theories that are unsupported by reality.
Regarding the speed, the builds of Windows 11 are being generated with a new SDK. They do some "workarounds" by polyfiling code for older Windows 10, but that comes with a performance hit. The SDK is the reason many DAWs have dropped support for older Windows versions.

microsoft/WindowsAppSDK: The Windows App SDK empowers all Windows desktop apps with modern Windows UI, APIs, and platform features, including back-compat support, shipped via NuGet.

Microsoft now uses newer MSVC compilers to build their Windows apps. They provide better performance across the system.
performance - C++ Team Blog
Performance Improvements in .NET 8 - .NET Blog
Performance Improvements in .NET 7 - .NET Blog
Performance Improvements in .NET 6 - .NET Blog
MSVC Backend Updates since Visual Studio 2022 version 17.3 - C++ Team Blog
Learn about performance features in Microsoft Edge - Microsoft Support

All the chip makers such as Nvidia, Intel, AMD, etc. have been working with Microsoft to provide more optimized versions of their drivers, and they all work better on Windows 11. These include many CPU features such as branch prediction, thread scheduling, direct storage access, etc.

Intel confirms it worked closely with Microsoft to optimize Alder Lake processors for Windows 11 - MSPoweruser
Thread Director: Windows 11 Does It Best - Intel 12th Gen Core Alder Lake for Desktops: Top SKUs Only, Coming November 4th
AMD Ryzen Branch Prediction Optimizations Now Available to Windows 11 23H2 | TechPowerUp
Load PC Games Faster: How to Use DirectStorage in Windows 11 | PCMag

Also, Windows 11 now requires SSE 4.2 SIMD instructions, which means the apps that use these vectorized operations will automatically run much faster. You will notice these in math-heavy operations such as in Audio VST Plugins.

Parsing JSON at Gigabytes per Second with simdjson
Single instruction, multiple data - Wikipedia

They have optimized several areas of Windows. Here's a high-level summary of some features:
Windows 11: The Optimization and Performance Improvements

Lastly, there's basically no difference between Windows 10 and 11 in terms of telemetry. They both allow you to turn things off. If you're privacy concerned, just install something like simplewall.

Just turn off what you don't use from the settings.
12 Settings You Should Tweak in Windows 11 For Optimum Experience

Microsoft now also provides PC Manager which does some optimizations and allows you to control what apps are in the startup.
Microsoft PC Manager - Free download and install on Windows | Microsoft Store

There are some so-called debloating tools that can uninstall apps, but I don't recommend going that route as they don't provide any "performance" benefits. They just reduce the storage used without having runtime benefits.

The bottom line is that don't allow people who don't have any deep technical knowledge to scare you from using new technologies.

 

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Then enjoy your pop-up ads, telemetry exchanges and useless unwarranted update tuesdays. Win11 is somewhat better, but only AFTER all the gar-ware is silenced and reverse engineered. IF you are a "software engineer" then you of most of all should know this already.

The "conspiracy theories" are not supported because there are none. Sitting down 10 minutes with win vista/7/8/10/11 and a few tools one can plainly see there is just cause for concern if one values ones' privacy... The volume of garbage and bloatware injected into the windows OS progressively increases with each later version. The "legacy systems" are much easier to secure from prying eyes due to this fact and do not require as much effort on the part of the user to lock the system down. Then again, it doesn't take a deep knowledge of "software engineering" to figure this out.

The "industry" wants to maintain the vision for the masses that EOS == death, chaos, and mayhem for anyone who runs a system past the deadline. There are a great many informed folks who can attest to the fact that this is pure hogwash and have proven that it is hogwash with successfully running systems that are way past EOS deadlines by decades.

As well, there is now a lucrative market for the capitalist industry corporates for profiting off of those so-called "legacy" systems by making folks pay for "updates" for systems that are well past the EOS deadlines.

 

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Just recently, data protection advocates once again described Microsoft's new operating system as "spyware".

 

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Clearly there are some people who just don't understand how much of an invasion of privacy telemetry really is.

If Microsoft was transparent about what information was being sent to 3rd party companies (who pay Microsoft a premium for that info) I really doubt ANYONE would use it.. and that is just ONE aspect of it.

For those who don't know. It really began at around the Service Pack 1 era of Win 7 and has been getting worse (as you've said) with every O/S they release!

Something that people may not know about 10 (I cant speak for 11) but the only way to stop M/S bombarding you with updates, is to fool the Operating System into thinking you're using a guest account. (Windows Service Management Tool- Windows Update- create guest account with no password) Otherwise you can only delay them.

Spyware, Bloatware, Half the time it feels like you're trying to get rid of viruses!

 

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