My Excessive Guitar Noise Problem Is Not Solved But..

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  1. RamboCalrissian

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    Yeah, i'm pretty sure its grounded.
     
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    You're welcome, bro.

    1) Yes. Check if it does have shielding. You need to have a multimeter to check for continuity. If it doesn't, take it to a guitar tech. It's a cheap mod and can make a big difference.

    2) Try configuring your computer hardware to turn off all those crappy gamer lights. It can make a difference.

    3) Yes. Active pickups are way quieter, but they have their own sound too. Some people don't like it. You might want to check them out.

    4) Yes. They're called "power conditioners". People use them a lot in the home theater and audiophile business. This one from Furman is pretty good and affordable: Amazon.com: Furman AC-215A Compact Power Conditioner with Auto-Resetting Voltage Protection - Black : Electronics
     
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    as you journey continues, you may find software is free at certain internet stores that you visit around the old world wide web. if you have ethical qualms about such activities there are frequently time limited demos you can download and test on your computer. Reaper has some built in noise reduction tools, and the price is very nice and there is a long trial period where you can try it out and see if it works best for you.

    https://www.reaper.fm/download.php
     
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    also Isolation Transformers, can often be found cheap, they are frequently used on medical equipment and get tossed when the equipment gets upgraded. Try a second hand electronic recycler. They are heavy due to iron core in transformer so shipping can be pricey, best to find locally if possible.

    this one has 4 outlets - as an example. they get smaller and much much larger. you don't need the massive ones. a simple 2 or 4 outlet will do.

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    Should I try connecting my guitar to my behringer noise gate then connect my noise gate to my pc insted of using the amp sim noise gate?
     
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    I'd say when it comes to guitar and amp sims, the more resources you can use to shape your sound before going digital, the better. Grab a good noise gate, a few distortion and overdrive pedals, a good quality isolated pedal power supply, and use the amp sim just to do the final shaping and apply post-production effects like delay and reverb.

    Just make sure to buy a good quality isolated pedal power supply unit, otherwise you'll just introduce more noise.

    It's simple, but it's not that simple. Unless you already know your way around working with electronics, a soldiering iron and a multimeter, I'd recommend paying for someone else to do it for you.
     
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    if you have an amp sim noise gate, try adjusting the gating threshold it should act the same way as the berhinger pedal would. no need for 2 noise gates.
     
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    just take some photos when you take things apart to make sure you put it back together the same way it was. its copper tape, its not terribley complicated. its rf shielding you don't need to tie it to ground unless you want to and with copper tape you can just use more copper tape, no need to solder unless you really want to smell that hot sweet lead melting..

    if you pay someone else to do what you can do, you learn nothing except how to go broke faster..
     
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    Unfortunately, when I use a noise gate, this noise that I am getting can be heard in the background of the notes I'm playing. The noise gate does reduce it but the noise is noticeably present when I strum.
     
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    It's also possible that your Scarlett 2i2 is faulty. I would try using it with another computer, in a different room and if possible take it to a friend's house to test it. If it's USB powered I would try it with a laptop to elminate mains interference (would that also eliminate earthing issues?). I read that the Scarlett 2i2 has a low noise floor so if it's setup right the noise you can hear should be minimal.
     
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    I was really hoping not to solder anything because I dont own one. Glad to know that there is a 'tape' I can just apply without soldering.

    Also, I totally agree with your last sentence. I learned how to set up my guitar by myself for that reason. Definitely took some error correcting but now I can set up guitars confidently.
     
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    I did plug it into my laptop and I got the same noise I was getting on my main pc. I dont know how to test if its faulty. All of my instruments work and record fine (especially my drum kit.. it sounds fantastic and clear). Its only when I use high gain or distortion effects when the noise comes
     
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    when you walk away...
    maybe there is a lamp on the ceiling in the room below. rearrange your room? use your guitar like a metal detector.

    advice above to use multiple sockets for your electrical devices is not my experience. everything on the same wallsocket ensures everything is on the same groud level (potential).

    antenna connected to your monitor? pull it-
    pull the monitor mains once the software is started and see if that helps
     
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    It could be that simple...or not. That depends a lot.

    It is essential to use a multimeter to make sure it beeps at all different points of the cavity, to ensure continuity across the entire surface area.

    I've done this quite a few times in my lifetime, and sometimes you have to drop a few solder points at the tape's seams for this reason.

    Also, I'd highly advise soldering a wire from the grounding point to the shielding and running a wire from the bridge to it as well.

    There's also shielding paint. It works, and it's easier to apply neatly than copper tape.

    Anyway, good shielding can work wonders! Good luck!
     
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    yes !! i learned to seup my guitars, once you get more than a couple its def worthwhile to do it yourself, money wise and I learned alot about how a guitar works (or doesn't work with some settngs) which helped me understand how to play better.
     
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    You could be right about there being a lamp underneath me! I live on the 3rd floor of an apartment complex haha. Thanks for the tips!
     
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    Let me see if I understand you correctly.. You are saying if I apply the copper tape, you recommend I solder a wire from the bridge to the grounding point and also solder a wire from the copper tape shielding to the grounding point? Where is the grounding point located at? I've taken my guitar apart and looked inside at the wires before, however, I did not know or understand what I was looking at.
     
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    You might be recording with your guitar pickups facing your monitor. Try angling your guitar differently, moving farther away from your monitor or turning your monitor off and see if the noise stops.
     
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    basically all parts of the pickup system are wired together to create a common ground, you'll notice wires soldered to the back of the tone pots or volume pots, these are ground wires. A lot of guitars have a wire running from these grounding points to the metal bridge, which then grounds the strings as well via the strings being 1. metal, 2 in contact with the bridge constantly. so basically the only metal not grounded is the frets which don't typically hold any electrical charge and don't induce currents, so they can be considered neutral (bereft of charge) and therefore ignored.

    so in my humble opinion the rf shielding is there to prevent radio frequencies from being transmitted into the guitar and therefore causing interference/hum/noise etc in the pickups. This is not a ground issue, its a shielding issue, the copper tape which should overlap to make a good shield is basically like a metal can around your pickup shielding it from RF waves, The pickguard should also be shielded to make this work well, and the shields should touch when the pickgaurd is replaced on the guitar.

    heres more info

    https://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/installation-setup/how-to-shield-a-guitar
     
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    yup if if nothing else it will either confirm or deny weather the noise is being inducted by the guitar or your interface
     
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