I'm looking formy option in the USB 3.0 interface.

Most of what i found was made for USB 2.0 BUT compatible with usb 3.0 via an update.

What i'm looking for is , all my options in USB 3.0 MADE ( not compatible ) audio interface.

I only found one so far and its WAY higher then my price range.

Its called the RME MadiFace XT and retail at 2500$ on soundwater.


You guys got anything else to suggest me ??

I repeat, i want to know the usb 3.0 made.....not the compatible via update.

Thanks guys

 

No! *no* , lol.
I had a quick look and RME MadiFace XT seems to be the only one available, so far.
Guess you need patience.

 

Isnt it weird, no !!??

 

No.

As far as i know the latency stays the same. Usb 2.0 and 3.0
The difference is that 3.0 has a wider number of bandwidth but it isn't essentially faster. That's why a 1gb file transfer "faster" on 3.0 because more data being sent and receive. However, that doesn't mean the latency will decrease with stuffing more data through the cable. The audio interface has to convert the analog -> digital and digital -> analog. I'm not saying its not impossible, but it probably cost higher. For the most part big studios only use thunderbolt/firewire, companies see little advantage on paying more and charging more to bedroom producers who might not be willing to pay an extra 200 dollars + old price.


It probably takes another year or 2 for companies to migrate to usb 3.0 They know most users have 2.0 and the ones that are able to have thunderbolt/firewire will most likely buy a thunderbolt/firewire.

 

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Not cool.

I was not concerned by the latency tho'.....i just wanted to be able to record 4 track at 24/96 in USB.

But i guess this is already possible with 2.0 cuz theres a bunch of them on the market right now.

Anyways....thanks guys.

 

there are (almost) no usb-3 audio interfaces cause there is no reason to make them usb3 .
Usb2 gives tons of bandwidth for audio (in theory, there could be just a bit over 200 (!!) 96khz 24bit mono channels over the usb2 bandwidth), or around 100 channels of 192khz 24 bit audio.

Interfaces that need that large an amount if channels are such pro devices, I won't think they would use USB anymore .


And you should be able to plug every usb2 device into a usb3 port without trouble. I am gonna say here though 'you never know'.

 

It is just another "faster is better ?"...but not.
Most MIDI interfaces are still USB1.1, because it is enough

M-Audio FastTrack Ultra
8 inputs
8 outputs
USB 2.0
Good entry level rack interface, and stable recording/streaming all ins/outs.

Firewire is a joke, too. Some Apple pro users needed to install an additionnal Firewire card, because integrated one sucked big time
It was supposed to be faster and more stable (said by Apple, you know...).
It was a nightmare for a lot of users, and useless bandwidth wise.

For now, nothing beat USB2.0 for external card. And it is like this for years...

If you go that way, you are going to change your converters every year *no*

 

USB 3 doesn't matter for MIDI, period. However hard drives are another story.

 

Yes and thats why RMEdecided to release USB 2.0 along with firewire
They found out that it is equally good if not better then firewire (i remember the days when the apple fanboys said that firewire is superior to USB and if you gonna buy an audiointerface DONT choose USB)
Wonder what they say nowadays?
Well those kind of people will never admit they where wrong

 

Martel80 I bought a sound card 2 month ago, I was looking for a very fast sound card, and have been doing the same search as you.
After several months reading, asking etc.. I found that all computer technicians agree that USB 3 offer faster speed for data transfer, but not the way that real time music needs.
That's why all companies including the ones that manufacture the higher models still use USB 2.

Beside, remember that all these interfaces (USB, Firewire, Thunderbolt, etc...) licenses their interfaces, that means that any company that uses it have to pay to the owners of the patent. That's another reason why you don't see much thunderbolt nor usb3 implementation, these are expansive licenses.

If you look at the higher end of the audio interfaces, you'll see Focusrite using something as common as Ethernet connections (Yes, the same as your router) in their RedNet System.
This may be the future (maybe).

 

Sorry, but 200 * 96k * 24 = 100 * 192k * 24 ≙ 460 MByte/s.
USB 2.0 offers 480 Mbit/s = 60 MByte/s.
Minus protocol overhead you get something around 30 MByte/s. If you want to monitor your sound (i.e. duplex), you'll be left with less than half the bitrate. So without technical extensions (like special buffers), it's just 2 (!!) 96/24 channels. With such extensions and optimized drivers you could get 4x the bitrate at best.

 

go pcie with rme hdspe aio + ai4s and ao4s like me ...you wont regret it !

 

Don't RME have the latency down to 1.1ms with there ff400 and ff800
I ain't seen no usb that fast yet

 

Thanks for the info guys.....its really appreciated.

 

96000 samples per second * 24 bits per sample = 2304000 bits per second = 2.304 megabit per channel (yes, orders of 1000, not 1024) = 208.3 channels over 480 mbit/sec. Indeed, do something about overhead and you get my 'just less than 200' .


A bit to add to the real topic though: There is something that Firewire has over usb _in theory_ (the reason why I just got a Firewire interface instead of my previous USB2 one). The asynchronous nature of the USB protocol makes it kinda 'not so good' for low latency audio. USB audio interfaces need to have an internal buffer which you can't control, which adds latency. You'll find that there are only a few USB interfaces who can get close to 7ms latency (measured from its outputs to its inputs). Firewire devices can get close to 3ms (or even lower?), just as PCI devices. I can pretty guarantee though that you will get chipset issues and interference with Firewire on your first try . I needed to get a special firewire PCI card, even though the chipset one on my motherboard was on the 'support chipsets list', and then I needed a set of adapters and cables to get the bus-power out of the Firewire cable because it was adding a nasty noise and whine to the audio signal. Now that it's working OK I like it though . But I can imagine someone who is not tech-savvy will say 'no thank you' . Oh yeah, and I can't use it on my laptop -> firewire chipset is not good in it, and there is no way to replace it :S, just like on newer MacBooks :S.

 

Correct *yes* , =>

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