This. Takes a specific thing and turns it into a generalization for "debate" and is making other intentionally flawed arguments. He doesn't need that explained. It's why he is doing it. The last time Olymoon banned him on the spot. Foster needs to get his head checked out.

 

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What he is trying to say is he has been secretly for years wanting to know the feeling of killing somebody, but has not yet out of fear of getting his bung hole massaged in prison once caught.

I do however, believe that freedom of speech should be followed by freedom of action as long as there is no victim. No victim no crime.

 

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Ah, but if it's not specifically prohibited under law, you're technically free to proceed at will. This, along with the untold benefits of our faithful, doughty & dogged 'free' press and the right to vote for crooked charlatans every few years is what makes us so much better than godless commies or something... i believe it's termed 'democracy' - a word far more used than experienced and merely a vague remembrance of some ancient Greek notion here in 2024.

Where you might resolve to "directly take action and fix it instead of waiting for the government", others - marinated with myopic notions of Liberty and Freedom - simply see an(other) opportunity for private enrichment and/or personal/class gain.

The problem with the high-minded ideology of pure Anarchy is the inevitable, historical rise of violent, avaricious chieftains, warlords, kings, emperors etc. Ever read seen/read 'Lord of The Flies'? Indeed, why not visit Haiti right now for an up-close view?

 

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Never knew Foster but knew Degrad which was also said to be an alias. If that is the same here too this may be controversial thinking but I think he has improved. Less deliberately outrageous and, according I'm not delusional here, would I even dare to say somehow geniune?

Yeah maybe not.. I don't know. Time will tell I guess?

 

Doesn't really matter if he is the Foster or a Foster. He keeps a offtopic 4chan/reddit troll thread on the front page of a public internet forum for music and audio at the expense of other on topic threads and spreads twisted information.

 

True Freedom is the absence of thought and that in turn will eliminate the need for speech.

You spewing your "opinions" which have been influenced by everything around you, is NOT freedom.

That is an enslavement of the mind through the conditioning imposed on it.

breaking free of your conditioning, will give you bliss and allow you to embrace this reality and not be an opinionated _____ .

 

Telling signs of deep distrust of yourself and waiting for decisions from the higher-ups and trusting them.

 

so, basically you're saying that freedom = being dead

 

Also is it just me that find ironic how people are talking about banning foster for the things he say, in a tread he created about freedom of speech?

me personally, i don't mind his treads and i don't see him as a malicious guy either.

 

Every time he comes back he keeps a lower profile. What you said: less outrageous. The first three-four times was kicked out quickly.

This way mods have to slowly build up enough stuff until there's justification to kick him again. Right now it's like some have said: there's still no justification to kick him.
Every active veteran here including mods know he's Foster but we can't prove it so he receives same treatment like everyone else new here.

That's what I thought like 8 years ago . Give it another year

 

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Trolls frequently post/comment about things solely to be incendiary. Bomb throwers. They will make "controversial" comments to generate bs and waste peoples time. A good percentage of the time, the comments do not even reflect what they think about the subject. The actual topic can often be completely irrelevant to them. It is clickbait masquerading as an attempt at discussion.

 

"You can't change the world
But you can change the facts
And when you change the facts
You change points of view
If you change points of view
You may change a vote
And when you change a vote
You may change the world"

Princess Di is wearing a new dress...

 

The general notion that the vast majority are anything more than slaves to a miniscule minority would suggest that the minority did their job well.

 

Freedom of action is not what is in this clip:

Right now on the planet there are millions upon millions of hungry people, in need of help, who are living a bad life because of waiting for the decisions of the authorities. Unfortunately, when it comes to good work and helping people, everyone somehow shrugs it off and doesn't involve themselves. Freedom and authority in action means that when you feel that you are needed anywhere, you take action and don't let many people suffer. It is not really fair that some people live a comfortable life because they have access to resources and other people experience the worst lives because they are located in disputed geographical areas.
Freedom of action is a human duty for humans and you don't need to doubt even for a moment whether to help a person in need or not. Even reforming the society is subject to freedom of action. Many times we know what is the right thing to do, but because we don't have the authority to do it, we don't do it and it causes further problems.

 

Unfortunately, this process is very long and no matter how well it is followed with good intentions, it will solve the current problems in the future. Of course, it is not known whether it will solve it or not. Current problems need current solutions, otherwise the time shift will not work in solving many problems.

 

The minority always writes the rules. Even our representatives (whether we vote for them or not) are in the minority. That minority writes the laws, whether the majority likes it or not, and the implementation of the laws is the responsibility of another minority.
The majority of people have no role in writing the laws and are usually the targets of the laws.

 

The question the OP raised was whether freedom of speech was relevant. If it weren't relevant, then why is it the very first thing that autocrats and dictators supress to cement their power? - The pen is mightier than the sword and I challenge you to challenge this history proven concept.

 

Civil unrest, revolution or civil war, is happening all over the world, oppression and greed is rampant everywhere now and seems to be getting even worse. With Truth and the Expressing Opinions even proven and fact backed ones being censored everywhere, why bother anymore, just get the ones in power to punch in their launch codes simultaneously and end it. EVERYONE LOSES.

 

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I began to wonder if this was a trolling, due to the OP's early replies, but after this last look, I think that is not the case.
While he makes some good points, he fails to offer any potential solutions to the problems he mentions.
Therefore everything is an unfixable problem.
So, it reduces to philosophy, which is a good tool for criticism but can offer NO answer to any problem.
Why is that?
Because, and you may quote me on this:
Philosophy, done properly, destroys philosophy.
As I've not seen it said before I'll claim it as my own until someone objects.

The reason is (at the very least) that if one adopts one of the many philosophical positions that call into question any human ability to know or understand anything, any further efforts in that direction can be disregarded as mental masturbation.
It may seem that to TAKE such a position one must admit of possibilities to understand, but a true philosopher will disagree and within a few hundred hours of debate, will have any intelligent and wise person drooling and crying and flaying the skin off their own hands.

No, he may not be a troll.
He may be much worse.
He MAY be a philosopher.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
A little philosophy has proved more deadly.

The worst wars have been initiated by weak men whispering just a little perverse philosophy into the ear of someone who has gained great power, or comes into great power via and ideology based on such perverse (but effective) philosophies. Often used as justification for whatever actions desired, the weakness, shortcomings, incoherence and contradictions within and arising from such ideologies are ignored, so long as the actions taken maintain power or are approved by supporters.
How does one determine what ideologies or philosophies are pathological?
Well, if they deny or contradict nature / reality they are suspect.

My rant grants that humans CAN understand of course, but if a person holds a philosophical position that we can't know, etc, then in my opinion they must just shut the f*ck up, since they can't know. They have destroyed your own position.

 

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You're kidding, right?
That's, like, the entire point of Nietzsche's work.