Garamondo, I think you like the sound of your own doom mongering. You are right about one thing though.

We can each imagine a thousand outcomes and any one of them could happen. Good, bad and everything in between is possible right now.

We just don't know how this will play out, but we know its started...

So you might as well be stoic and pragmatic about it all.

 

no I plan on removing myself from the "networked world" and going on with my life as it was before the internet.

like a disease, things will propagate in the highest population density areas first. Like a disease, quarantine is advised.

I plan on enjoying life without AI. Its worked so far, I think I can make it til the end of my shelf life....

even if I'm totally wrong, I'll still be happy ... I don't know if those who embrace their digital masters will feel the same.

 

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You know the robot overlords will learn how to walk. You'll be picked up about 5 mins after the rest of us.

 

still thats 5 minutes and in the game of life, that will boost my score..

 

Plato said, " A man who has a garden and a library, is a rich man."

I plan on becoming a rich man, and in Plato's time there were no music studios per se. So i will have that as well, so perhaps I will be the richest of the rich. a garden, a library and a studio (and a bottle or two in the kitchen)

and perhaps an extra 5 or 10 minutes to enjoy it...

 

The raison de vivre of artificial intelligence is to replace analog intelligence. It isn't to augment human thought or creativity. In the moment millions of people are using it as a crutch and out of laziness to save time and cut corners in their schoolwork, to write summaries of medical visits and the like while simultaneously training the very machines that will replace them. Car mechanics no longer need to use their brain honed through their love of tinkering and the cars themselves to problem solve and are now just part changers because of the computers in every newer vehicle and soon too these people will become superfluous. Robots build the cars with a very few humans part of the process and are being whittled down even further as even these tasks become automated and these people replaced. Automotive design is the next human activity that will fall to AI in just that industry but can be extrapolated overall. In the creative arts people are beginning to prompt vague ideas and voila, immediately spits out content. These people are taking advantage of the easy way out and are also training that which is in the process of replacing them.

The Cotton Gin heralded the age of mechanization and displaced the oxen and the draft horse, and I divine that AI will do the same to human ingenuity, slash employment opportunities and the possibly of mass hunger and disease caused by a coming age of poverty. The flame of creativity burns strong in us all but will have to find outlet without the aid of technology as that will be reserved for an elite who will met out propaganda in the guise of entertainment even greater than today and as an obvious weapon...fascism as science.

I hope not.

 

Is a bear catholic? Can the pope sh*t in the woods?

 

say does shit stick to your fur?????

 

I can appreciate the existential crisis this subject evokes, but despite the valid concerns, it is as likely the profound benefits equal or outweigh the negatives.

 

Don't get me wrong, you make a very good point (seriously!), but I don't think you've thought it through properly.
People are already losing their jobs NOW due to the current state of development of AI. The question is: what will happen in a few years when AI is out of the crawling phase?
I'm not worried about what will happen when no one is working anymore. I'm more worried about how people will behave when the waves of layoffs get bigger and affect more industries than they do today. I don't know how big the impact will be on the different sectors, but there will definitely be some. The thing is: People tend to do some pretty crazy sh*t when they see their livelihoods threatened. There is already an increase in attacks on tech infrastructure in pilot cities of various kinds and on tech companies. And there's something called mass momentum... Got it?

 

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at the end of the day, ai or whatever, as always, money is the root of all evils....

 

errr. the quote is "The love of money is the root of all evils." a subtle but important difference.

 

i disagree..
even before money there was evil, money is just the closest thing we have to power over other people.
money is not evil, the power-hungry human is evil

 

you should probably move to the himalayas, antartica or amazon forest for some extra time

 

What do you guys tihnk an AI rendered film and OST would be, though?
I want Rendezvous with Rama.

I'm not gonna get on soap box but we made money, then made other people work to earn it, and then slowly devalue it. We do it to ourselves.

 

I'd stand out like a sore thumb in those neighborhoods. the northern japanese islands, now there's some real estate...

 

dorohedoro

 

to put it simply, it will be similar to industrial revolution, but on global scale beyond countries or continents, scattered without control, and most likely much faster, not a 30 years period, many people will get screwed across any kinds of job sectors, but it's inevitable,
yea people do really bad shit when they feel insecure, big tech companies are aware of responsibility which governments aren't yet even able to understand, hence why the AI bubble has to be positive

 

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Everyone declaring 'AI will do everything creative' really need to get their hands on the tools. I already see limitations in a whole load of areas.

Creative AI right now is focused on replacing craft. As you go up a creative staff pyramid you rely less on craft and more on critical decisions, speculation and creative vision. Current AI really struggles in this upper realm because of how it fundamentally works.

I can train it to have what i think are my skills, but it will only echo me up to that point in time, with no understanding of my highly flexible real time thought processes. And my job as a director isn't to be me from last year, its to grow, to steer my project into next year with a fresh new vision, all executed using thousands of decisions.

Soon Ill probably use AI to help find that vision and solve specific issues, but a humans broad mental agility and leadership skills are just not covered by any AI models I'm encountering.

That's one limitation that doesn't automatically get solved without a lot of time, processing power and money thrown at it.



Another big issue with giving AI project control.

How the hell do you effectively train, integrate and run these interconnected systems in large corporations when most corporations cant even run their IT departments properly right now.

If you work on any large digital project its clear adding more technology is going to be a nightmare. Even with AI helping integration.

These large corporate groups are already super fragile tech wise.

We're in for a rocky ride getting any of this to work properly. This type of functional restructuring has never happened before.



With these issues I think the outcome for now is more sedate and predictable for creatives.

GPT interface work has initially impressed people and can be adopted quickly for practical tasks, its here to stay. Creatively it is the equivalent of hiring a unimaginative writer/artist to help you. It needs accurate directing to be interesting or innovative.

In the hands of boring people you get boring AI content, so new AI orientated skills are being developed. Human skills.

We will see a load of generic content pipelines switched to AI - stock art/music, advertising, digital assets. And those industries will definitely suffer staff cuts.



Last point about creativity. Maybe we actually need AI?

We already have a cultural malaise in the arts. We constantly recycle the 20th centuries innovations and IP's. We are in a mediocre phase right now.

In the hands of talented people maybe AI could help create new ideas for the arts. Rapid exploration of ideas, its glitchy weirdness, using it to mix concepts in fresh ways, utilising its random nature, could all be really interesting tools in skilled hands.

It could be a new renaissance.

To drive that innovation I feel there there will always be a need for the great Novelist, Scriptwriter, Song Writer, Director, Architect, Virtuoso Musician, Actor, Singer, Dancer, Painter.

I can imagine a lot of them will use AI to help explore new concepts. I can also imagine they'll need to be damn good to stay ahead of all the generic AI content. That could push people harder to stand out.


RE JOBS:

I do share the fears, I'm not confident society can just step up and adapt.

Though I don't romanticise jobs or skills. I don't understand people freaking out about losing a job that didn't exist a hundred years ago. I know my job as it is now functions will probably change, that means it didn't even last 40 years. A whole set of complex art skills not needed anymore.

But this is romanticising a fucking job. Thousands of jobs, skills and crafts have come and gone through history.

As each new generation takes over, they are the only workforce that counts.

The fear should just be how do we create a healthy society that has to work less.

I will support radical new political and social solutions as they surface. Maybe AI can uncover these new models? I really hope its not after massive social unrest and fighting, but I could imagine I don't live to see us find the right solution.

 

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