Intel is ditching its hybrid structure along with hyperthreading in favour of increased IPC for their new Arrow lake processors so IMO AMD is bringing in the new chips to counter the same and continue to maintain its hold on the market

 

30% IPC gains in multithreaded tasks is quite rad if it happens.

 

Holy crap 2

 

Anybody skipping Zen 5 and waiting for Zen 6?

 

Does zen5 require new MB?

 

It's AM5, so if you've got an AM4 mobo like me, then yeah, time for new one.

I can still upgrade to a new Zen3 CPU (I'm on 5600X myself) if I upgrade my PSU and cooling so I'm still good for a good couple of years, then it's a new mobo, a new CPU, new RAM, and probably a new GPU (PCI5 and all that).

 

I'm on safe side then, I got AM5 board

 

Interesting but don't trust it yet. The current generation (7000) also had rumors like that and ended up trading blows with Intel's latest both in single and multicore.
I do think next gen AMD will outperform Intel's because Intel factories keep struggling making 5 and 3 nm transistor waffles and has lost a huge lot of money to catch up with AMD.

 

Yeah, it's very interesting to see what's coming up. I personally wait for thorough benchmarks, then see what the actual power readings are and how much heat the bastards crank out. Keeping computers at least bearably quiet is a thing to me. I can keep my current CPU (a 5600X, again) almost inaudible with a decent cooler with 2 fans (push-pull), so I'm hoping to keep up with that.

And then the price, of course. I'm a cheapass (and broke always), of course.

 

More CPU performance means more headroom to run at a lower voltage.

 

Last edited: Feb 19, 2024

You may be quite right. There would be a marked increase in IPC no doubt but 40% improvements across the board will be difficult to achieve. In integer operations and floating point operations its likely to achieve its target but in other sectors it is likely to be 20 - 30% (max) which is consistent with generation leap if past history is anything to go by

It will run on AM5 motherboard. So no problem upgrading for those having the same.
But to address the memory bandwidth saturation on AM5 AMD is going to launch a new chipset x870 series supporting USB4 on same AM5 socket.

According to AMD road map by design Zen 3 and Zen 5 are new cores, whereas Zen 4 and the future Zen 6 are leveraged cores. Going by this logic the huge generational uplift we saw in case of Zen3 over Zen2 and much anticipated in case of Zen 5 over Zen 4 will not be there in case of Zen6,... as Zen 4 though greatly improved isn't quite revolutionary over zen 3

 

For decades AMD trailed Intel mocked and jibed as a cheap alternative to the monopolised chip giant. The customer had little choice in choosing a good desktop CPU. And the price....

But by Q1 of 2017 a new chip from AMD on the horizon all is going to change. For the first time in over half a century Intel felt pressure. Suddenly Intel found the competitor breathing down its neck. By the time Intel's latest Rocket lake arrived the competitor had left it in dust.

The new chips ran faster, cooler, uses less power and most important a fantastically affordable price.

It would pass on in annals of PC history as one of the best processor series ever made for average consumers.

The RYZEN has arrived

 

Very informative post, well done

Indeed Zen5 is a "generational" improvement but even TSMC is struggling with its 4 and 3nm process. I think the initials plans were to make Zen5 with 4nm plusplus-whatever and use 3nm only in the server chips Epyc. At least for the "powerful" cores. Which sucks but it is what it is.

But this was planned just before the COVID so probably very outdated now.

 

That is true but the first Intel-killer was the AMD Athlon.

 

I guess TSMC will still use 3nm but only to produce the AMD laptop processors whereas the desktop will be on 4nm.

According to recent media reports TSMC is actually not keen on procuring new HNA Euv machines from ASML taking into financial/Profit consideration and will probably be introducing them in last part of this decade.

 

Absolutely, but there is no denying that it was the Ryzen which bought Intel down on its knees forcing it to make drastic price cuts, increase core counts as a result consumers were spoilt for choice now a days.

 

I don't know, because apparently the issue is the price. The desktop would benefit as much. Like always, with much more power and stuff. But it's still very important if only for marketing reasons to have the "fastest" consumer CPU, a desktop one for obvious reasons.

Holy shit, I had to google that. That's a bit above my head
Anyway the gist of it I think is the same. They are struggling more than planned for the 3nm node (how many names has this stuff?) so the success ratio is low so the price is very high as much as low is the capacity.

 

Last edited: Feb 19, 2024

What really made AMD a proper "name" was Athlon originally, but then AMD64, showing Intel that they were not mere slouches. Sure you had middling chips there in between, but then Ryzen came, and then in the server world the 2nd generation EPYC CPUs.

Sure, if I needed the highest single-core performance it would have to be Intel, they still rule that race for sure. But more for cores, cooler, and cheaper it's gotta be AMD.

Even in the corporate world I'm seeing and (in a couple of cases) overseeing a slow transition to AMD servers, but that side of things changes and adapts fairly slowly. The server-side certainly benefits more from more cores and in some cases more PCI lanes, consolidation to smaller servers is king.

 

You're right. Since quite a few years now AMD server CPUs (EPYC) are sweeping the floor with Intel's. But the transition is slow by nature.
AFAIK in that market Intel hasn't gotten close to AMD since the Zen2 times probably (EPYC2 I guess). Multicore performance is the king in that segment.

 

If the rumours are anything to go by Intel's XEON is soon going to get another run for its money.

"Who needs accelerators when you had 192 cores"

Wait for the Big Daddy....

Here comes the 5th Generation "EPYC TURIN"