With all due respect to all the experienced technical members....
I am not an expert...

IMHO those who are waiting for an upgrade on AMD ecosystem should stay put on Zen 3 systems a little bit longer as Zen 3 is already a powerful system and those wanting an upgrade would be benefited by ZEN 5.

ZEN 5 is going to be a bigger leap over Zen 4 more so than from Zen 2 to Zen 3. There is a likehood of 30 % increase in IPC if leaked sources are to be believed.
The Core count is likely to remain the same. The memory bandwidth is also likely to remain the same as the AM5/DDR5 platform is already saturated.

According to the same sources Zen 5 is likely to be announced in April 2024 or slightly later. It is rumoured that Zen 5 has already entered mass production
The IPC part is also talked about by Jim KELLER the founding designer of Zen chips.

On a different note.....

Intel Arrow lake is going to ditch P-cores, hyperthreading, and frequency regression in favour of increased IPC, and increase small cores.
Zen 6 is rumoured to planned to have increased multi core performance and a hybrid structure with some changes in memory bandwidth perhaps needing a new MB like AM5+

On Audio side of things newer version of DAW/Plugins are likely to utilise more core than now leading to improved performance.
In DAW bench tests AMD still leads in DSP so likely better suited for those Upgraders using large no of VSTi, whereas Intel by virtue of better memory utilisation of memory bandwidth with DDR5 Lead in KONTAKT Polyphony test so heavy sample library users can choose that way too.
As regards DPC Latency of new gen chips there is still no information on that for time being but one can safely assume that these won't be a grave issue with all the improvements .

 

Where can I see the DAWbench table for 23-24 years?

 

yes, I know.
the 7950X3D is good enough for my audio tasks.
and really good for my gaming tasks^^
I wanted a system for both tasks, without the hassle of switching two OS´s,
and I´m quiet happy

 

If you are using lots of VSTi over sample libraries then 7950x is the Champion but if in case you use lots of sample libraries 7950x3D is a great choice and in fact gives a 12 percentage better performance benefit

 

https://gearspace.com/board/music-c...iversal-cross-platform-daw-benchmarks-42.html

 

In Audio use + Gaming the 7950X3D is undeniably an unbeatable combination.

 

I was surprised by that, I thought $$$$ = better.

 

JUST like you sir, I am planning to upgrade from an Intel 2 Core to Ryzen 7700 but am planning to wait for a little bit more in light of new Zen 5 developments.
Intel's present chips though have good performance metrics have awful efficiency at present and for new builders (obviously with DDR5 Platform/Z790) doesn't provide tangible benefits over AM5 with newer Arrow lake chips most likely built with focus on Gaming by leveraging existing technology in gaming scenarios rather than on anything else.

 

yes, me too.
but, as long as I can run over 100 tracks with lots of VSTi & AA´s (ca 50%-60%)
+ very good gaming, I´m satisfied, until upgrading to ZEN 5 one day.
(btw the 7950X3D cost me 560€, I think it was a very good acquisition.)

 

It sounds like you made the right choice

I just want a PC that can run templates which mimic a large recording studio (with loads of Nebula instances) while the CPU ticks over nicely without getting stressed, and I am willing to pay for this pleasure. I'm thinking of not updating this computer, so it would be frozen in time until it breaks. Hopefully this can put an end to 10 years of frustration

 

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I understand Sir. Wait is definitely unbearable and unproductive too Alas,....

I come from parts of the world where computer components are extremely expensive with zero quality manufacturing facility and an additional 20 - 30% import tax, weaker currency to dollar(even in terms of PPP) and most of the population surviving on less than 5-10 dollars /day IRL.
I known its laughable by European and American standards but sadly that's the way it is...

Though I am a skilled professional and earn decently by my country's standards its still way behind rest of the world. But I am not demoralised. The people of my country needs more persons like me to help them out. So Inspite of all these I am very happy at what I am doing. I also love doing Music...

I would echo the sentiment of @Zenarcist, I would probably want a good PC that would at least last me 5-7 years or until I got limited by its technology. So with blessings of all the good people like you and the wonderful community I hope my wait is worth.

 

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Yes sir, lot of thanks for your great advice. I could see you also went through the hard way patiently to realise your dream.
In fact now I remember from some of your post about you using FL v12 and Nexus 2 etc inspite of new versions being available. I can now see why?
"Limitations breeds creativity" as they say. Got a great opportunity to learn something from you.

Like you said I am planning to buy the other components one by one and leave the MB and Ryzen for last. Guess that would ease up the pressure on me and In the meantime it would be a great opportunity to save whatever I could.

 

I freeze a lot too, and I don't mind doing it. In fact, it's actually quite a good way of working. The biggest timewaster for me is the never-ending search for the latest must-have game changing audio software.

 

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Yeah i really hope they add some kind of shortcut for that, thankfully in Live 12 it's just a right click+left click now, that alone has sped up a lot of work for me. lol

 

Holy crap!

 

I fear that if Zen 5 is indeed a huge upgrade, then AMD will ask an unreasonable premium to force private consumers to keep buying 7000 (or 8000G). AMD has been shifting more and more of their limited capacity towards AI/big customers, leaving scraps for consumers. If Zen 5 is so good that businesses are already outbidding each other to get their hands on it and Zen 4 is still fast enough for consumers, then there's no point in AMD putting price pressure on its own products until they actually have to.

 

Maybe they want to take market share from Intel. They've already got them on the ropes, so why not land a knockout blow?

 

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