Will Apple be shutting off your audio gear? (TLDR - universal AppleFWAudio.kext removed from Ventura, Sonoma...)

Kernel Extension vs. System Extension (new macOS RME audio drivers explained)

thoughts?

 

For security and stability reasons...bah
Just a note:
Windows machines: running firewire devices since old windows 7 still to do it in windows 11.
Apple suicide, and in my studio i have 4 apple maschines 2 of them with Monterey one with Sonoma and ond an old capable rosetta mac!
I still have a pro gear with firewire interface that i do use it rarely..is a GSR mixer by A&H and used most as sub mix connected to a Monterey machine and used with adat option, anyway if i will need it to use with Sonoma I will for sure dont fucking care to disable the crap SIP and copy the right Monterey AppleFW kext in the system kernel with the all crap terminal command it needs to get it working...(for nubyez kext install apps are free around the net!)
What i dont ike is the aggressive apple politic to get redundant what ever they like. Crazy world.

 

Ditch Apple, go Windows. I hate this money-whore company and the cocky users too... (R2R thinks the same.)

 

It's what Apple does. They push the reset button on your hardware (and sometimes software) purchases every 10-13 years.

1984 68000 -> 1995 PowerPC -> 2006 Intel -> 2020 Apple M -> 203X Apple X.

 

I don't see any problems. Great video by RME!

 

However, MS is developing in exactly the same direction under Satya Nadella.

 

MS is aiming on ARM-Systems with Windows 12 already. Yea, I had a big laugh already!

 

Don't upgrade as advised all will be fine, dont worry about security updates, it is useless and is only designed to make your older products run slower IMHO.

 

Windows 11and Terratec and Tascam drivers from WinXP still running. OK, nobody needs that but me some months ago, to have prove that it works. I praised MS for it publicly.

 

Nothing new in this video: Firewire is an outdated technology, for more than 10 years we have had Thunderbolt which is much more powerful. The manufacturers of audio interfaces have long taken action on the subject and now Thunderbolt is the standard (in addition to USB).
There is no evil conspiracy: these are just Apple's strategic and technological choices to maintain a high level of engineering.
Hijacking this non-news into a Win vs Mac thread is the usual time-wasting cliché

 

what's relatively new is combination of Apple removing "legacy" kernel extension drivers (such as itb audio firewire support) in favour of new driverkit drivers for manufacturers that don't conform to Apple's itb frameworks,
this is new since Ventura and even more apparent in Sonoma (and upcoming next MacOS not to be disclosed publicly any further by now)

 

Windows 11 for ARM runs very snappy and very smooth in Parallels on Apple Silicon, in fact much smoother than (non-virtualized) MacOS on Apple Silicon, so it seems Microsoft is already way ahead the game software-wise, now it's about hardware and third-party devs...

 

But for Apple its easier because they only need to control their OS and their hardware. The number of OS/hardware configuration options you can find there is manageable.

Windows has completely different problems with its extreme backwards compatibility for ages.
I'm amazed that they can keep this pile of code (pun only works in german sorry...) with all that layers of compatibility running at all. Thts real craftsmanship

 

Last edited: Dec 13, 2023

I had seen the writing on the wall when, a few years ago, I'd bought my first (used) five-year-old Macbook Pro without a Firewire 800 port. I got hip to USB 3, and later to USB-C, and appreciated their speed. I use them with SSD drives; the Firewire 800 I'd been using with 7200RPM HDDs. Although Firewire connects straight to the motherboard, I'd cooked a couple of FW800 drives by daisy-chaining them, which they're supposed to be able to do, but they did so with too many errors.

I know that established studio users are staunchly invested in their hardware, but if hardware manufacturers hadn't seen this coming, I don't know what to say, except for FW users to plan on using Mojave or Catalina for the next 10 years. It's wise to hang back, anyway, but all equipment is eventually outmoded. (Is anyone still using SCSI connections and ZIP or JAZ drives?)

 

I've always wondered why some Windows users can't stand the fact that Apple and its users even exist. You do you...

 

I wouldn't loose sleep over it. Mac,Windows and Linux all fucking suck in their own way.

 

Well said, they really all do have their own uniquely stupid issues. lol