^ cheers !
DOES THIS PRODUCT CONTAIN CONTENT FROM OTHER EXISTING PRODUCTS?

This product does contain existing content (the soft layer is from Solo Strings, the mf from Chamber Strings and then the ff from Symphonic Strings), with additional new content recorded for the supersoft, pianississimo layer, played by a 5 piece ensemble (Vln1, Vln2, Vla, Cel & Bass). For this soft layer the canopy in the hall at AIR Studios was lowered and baffles were moved close to the players to achieve an intimate and focused sound.

 

I don't know if they're liars or not but they do make an awful lot of overrated, overpriced shit.

 

Posting the opposite in the in-depth FAQ does it make it even worse!

 

Legality is a touchy subject that I do not know enough about. Because they have pulled from a variety of libraries, it could be termed a new library. However, saying they did not come from other libraries I agree is an out and out lie. A lie by omission is still a lie.

Mail their support because you purchased it, with accompanying screenshots as well as their web-link and a screenshot of it saying nothing from other libraries, and ask for a refund. I would. Also ask for a contact for their legal representation and say nothing else. That should put the wind up them even if you do nothing.

It is plain shitty salesmanship and marketing of the worst kind. Used car level, possibly worse.

 

Did R2R ever release Kontakt Libraries it would be great if Spitfire is the first meal.

 

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It is obviously a mistype/misprint on the front page of that product & nothing else.
How you came to the conclusion that Spitfire are liars is just hilarious.
For example on the cinematic pads the clearly state that the content is from Albion Legacy or in the Cinematic percussion the content is again from Albion Legacy :
https://www.spitfireaudio.com/origi...3efc374de5f318e1144fe2746c7d59716660d46c#faqs
https://spitfireaudio.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4550087757469
Anyway enjoy your new library,i got Aperture Stings & Aperture Orchestra this Black Friday and both are amazing libraries, cheers !

 

This would be considered "fraud." Fraud occurs when a company offers you a product but provides a different one; it can also involve services, such as hiring a service that is not actually the one offered. Frauds can be taken to court, and if you win, you may receive compensation. Of course, here comes the most challenging part of it all: "the evidence." Depending on the case, certain evidence needs to be gathered. For example, hypothetically speaking, they could argue that these samples are indeed new but there was a technical error in naming these samples. Similarly, they might offer you financial compensation, but it wouldn't be considered fraud anymore; it would be a technical mistake. Perhaps the best course of action, if you want to take steps, is to contact a lawyer specializing in these matters to guide you on how to proceed. Likewise, if this company uses the same samples and releases them into the market as new samples without being able to rename them, that's more than lazy; it's being foolish

 

It's been several years now that, by common sense, I'm convinced Spitfire, 8dio and others reuse their samples.
It's just what someone said before. An orchestra or big choir through and extensive recording is quite expensive.

You can't release 5 fully newly recorded libraries per year. The problem is that, explicitly lying or not, some companies try their best to make us believe it. Fuck, I still remember 8Dio's marketing line "meticulously recorded and mixed by multi-grammy-awarded Trolls Foellman" stuck in every goddamned orchestral/choir lib.

That being said, it's perfectly fine and even advisable to reuse good recorded samples. Record new ones for sections you don't have, combine and re-mix with existing ones to fit the goal of the library, blabla..

 

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Since there really isn't anything to break with libraries themselves (as long as you have a k'd Kontakt) - I don't believe that is something R2R would need/want to do. There are, however, many dedicated plugins from Spitfire Audio that have not been broken (as far as I'm aware). If that day ever comes... all these poor hard drives.

 

If you re-process a collection of samples/library with new fx, gear, whatever; do they not become "new samples"? idk. But they could at least change the filenames like every other company who does this same stuff. What would be ironic though, would be the morality police using this as a justification to download and use their stuff for free. But that would never happen.....

 

It's quite interesting what you mention, and also very logical. It must cost a fortune to record an entire library in detail from an orchestra. I also agree with you that if you use the same material you previously used to improve it, and you succeed, it's perfectly valid. However, it's very different to deceive the consumer (if that's the case, we don't know) and tell them, 'Oh yes, all these samples are new, buy them with confidence,' and then it's not the case.

 

Mistype or misprint led to a bad purchase. So a compensation is just legit.
Calling Spitfire liars is a conclusion through the past decade.
Let's say they were not always honest to themselves and to customers.

 

Kind of, new processed samples. That's what I meant by "mixing new samples with existing to make a new library". Changed to remix for clarity.

 

I mean...what else is new?

 

I see your point. It's funny almost by now, but for years and years developers have played "weasel word" games with their marketing. We, as end users, may ask if they are "new samples" meaning actual newly recorded waveforms. Meanwhile, they are telling us "the truth" by saying their new files are "new samples"; because technically that is correct. Another one is changing how measurements are recorded, converted, and sometimes even the way an equation is written. Instead of dishonesty via omission, it's via careful manipulation of the information. Example, presenting Latency in # of Samples. So as the bitrate of the file goes upward, the measurement of Latency appears to become smaller; when in reality the latency will actually increase because of the higher bitrate of the session. Stuff like that.

 

@Xupito @clone
It seems interesting to me; reading both of your arguments made me ponder something. The company could take old samples, 'reform' or enhance them, and turn them into 'new samples.' In other words, if there's a modification to a sample, it becomes a new sample, although its essence remains the same, like the sound capture, for example. However, the sample itself wouldn't be the same. So, when a user asks, 'Are these sounds new, or are these new samples?' the company could say, 'Yes, they are new samples.' Perhaps the user's question should be formulated with more precision, like 'Have these samples been obtained from entirely new original samples, or is it an improvement of other samples?'

Furthermore, I start to think about how this whole matter becomes complex, and I imagine companies must be well-informed to know what to do and what to say. Because, let's consider the hypothetical case that these original samples are old but have been modified. The samples would be new, meaning the company's response would be correct

 

Is them having the same names the only evidence you have? Because I know I label my stuff the same when making my own samples and one shots .. Guitar01C5 , Guitar02C6 .. I dunno how different it is for kontakt libraries and what not .. just curious

 

The only thing ive seen them innovate or invest in since their initial hollywood success blowup, is a DRM locked up sampler vst to protect their overrated, over-reverbed samples

As if they thought they could just produce a new fully fledged kontakt if enough £s were thrown at second rate devs

Hey spitfire, there are about 50,000 ways to reverb a signal these days, give me clean well recorded dry close samples dont multiply the 30gb library by 6 just to use your microphone investments & make the library look HUGE as that must equal PRO

"we added a set of neumann XY mics at a distance of 100m to capture the faint, -7db dull swell of expensive reverb dregs, it only adds 10gb to your download, cheers"

 

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While this is certainly true for many companies, 8Dio does it annually. Initially, as I purchased from them, I wondered why they painstakingly watermarked everything with the purchaser's name in everything. In some ways, it makes sense because they do that many new recordings every year and chose to protect the user and developer as well as they could.

It's possibly worth noting that Spitfire BBC Orchestra Full is NOT available in its full professional form without the Spitfire engine. It too is watermarked as is EastWest OPUS Orchestra while many of the Kontakt samples are not?? Anyone could be forgiven for thinking they care less about their Kontakt libraries than their engine libraries?
Who knows? You'd think any company would wish to be consistent.

 

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Sorry buddy,no offense to you,i really mean this ,but this is total bullshit & this thread is borderline insanity ^
I've learned in my life to always speak with facts instead of "Let's say" assumptions & false claims :
So here are some facts for you :
So you bought the library & then you come here & opened a thread claiming with a title
Spitfire are (well known) liars. :
Lets see the facts & some truth :
Did you buy the library at the advertised Black Friday price ?
Yes you did ,how do I know this ? I've bought the same library too
Where you able to download the library as advertised ?
Yes you did ,how do I know this ? I've downloaded the same library too
Where you able to load & play with all the included articulations as advertised ?
Yes you did ,how do I know this ? I've downloaded the same library too & opened/played with al articulations too
Are the advertised system requirements of the library & size true ?
Yes they are ,how do I know this ? I've downloaded the same library too
I've told you already that here you can see that Aperture Strings does contain existing content (the Sable samples, now known as Chamber Strings) :
https://spitfireaudio.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/14984990362141-Aperture-Strings-FAQs
and yet because of the mistype on the front page,you still claim that Spitfire are liars & dishonest, go figure