To replace and to lower is something different, replacing means you take something away. And while in fact you can lower the fundamental, the plugin itself is neither doing it on its own, nor replacing it.

Well, using capital letters doesn't change the truth, unless of course, the Wizards of Waves managed to also trick an analyzer?

Spoiler

 

Done that several times with RBass - when mastering for others.

 

I never said it was doing it "on its own", in your back.
I said Waves created this plugin for small speakers, and so created this trick to replace subs by upper harmonics.
It was clear since first post.

But it seems ppl read what they want.

 

Nobody mentioned high quality Leapwing RootOne, based on harmonic generation.

An example of a sub-frequency generator ("LoAir'):
https://www.sageaudio.com/blog/mastering/how-to-create-punchy-sub-bass-in-your-master

 

Melda MBassador https://www.meldaproduction.com/MBassador

 

I analyzed Mach 3 Bass on PD and it's just a sharp bell EQ boost

 

I'm using bx_subsynth these days, it's a combination of subharmonic synthesizer, a "monoizer" (surely there's a fancy term for this?) for frequencies below 20Hz-22kHz (or just "off"), then a saturator/comp and various cuts/boosts handy for sub/low/low-mids.

Easy to overdo though unless your monitoring handles low frequencies well, I tend to tone it down a bit for this reason once I find the right sound for this reason.

 

So now that we know Rbass is not boosting, nor replacing or generating subs which is a good alternative plugin then?

(And can we please stop recommending hundreds of plugins that do something else in every single rbass-alternative thread?)

 

Not correct. MaxxBass and RBass are doing something veery similar which is, adding harmonics above the fundamental, not generating news one below it (like Lowender or bx_subsynth):

Spoiler: freqs

Spoiler: harmonics

Spoiler: Hammerstein

 

Yes I was referring to your post and saying the same, trying to. Maybe a language barrier since English isn't my first language.

So which is an alternative for RBass then? I'm on mobile now unfortunately but so far the ones I checked are not. Most of the ones mentioned specifically DON'T do the RBass trick.

 

As I said before, try BL Infra

 

Not really, IMHO. Since the BlueLab pluggies are meanwhile for free, it's easy to compare them.
Drums
- dry,
- RBass Intensity -6dB, Gain -0.8dB (peak gain staging),
- Infra Phant Mix 8%, Gain -0.8dB,
- Infra Phant Mix 50%, Gain -5dB

Spoiler: unnecessarily big window

 

Was actually pretty good to hear this in a comparison.
It seems that the feel is very different when using those vst's because their approach is not the same.

I will probably try Melda MBassador and see how it compares.

I don't know which bundle contains maxxbass

 

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All complete bundles. FWIW, I prefer RBass.

 

Quoting from kvr, because my English sucks:

subterfuge KVRist
Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:46

It's quite amazing how many times subharmonic generators or regular bass boosts have been suggested through the years as an alternative to R-Bass. The idea of R-Bass is to enhance the low end by NOT just boosting bass frequencies, and certainly NOT adding lower frequencies than the original, but adding higher harmonics instead. This helps keeping low end cleaner/less muddy while still getting stronger sounding bass. It also helps bringing out low end in systems which are not even able to reproduce those lowest frequencies. Waves patent called that a pseudo low frequency psycho-acoustic sensation.

That is done basically by having a parallel signal path where bass frequencies are saturated and the upper harmonics created by that saturation are added into the original signal.

Denise Audio has a simple presentation of the idea here
https://www.denise.io/blog/2018/12/bass ... o-examples

And here is the expired Waves patent for the R-Bass
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5930373

Deceivingly simple R-Bass was/is one of the more unique Waves products. So far there are very few other plugins which can get close, especially with that simple UI. Yet people have been throwing out dozens of names of pretty much anything that refers to bass.



---- I think I'll just get Waves and try RBass. So far there's only one or two clones (Denise Audio Bass XL) but they are not as good as the original it seems.

 

RBass is awesome. I never mix my bass guitar without it.

I also like the Bass Shift on the BrainWorx digital v3. Nice smooth bass.

 

Check this out
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1--yRZdWro_d28LmYNvaWsVct7CR6Y_KAULFU8wZ4SEI/edit?pli=1#gid=0