NI Massive GUI freeze? Ideas how to fix?

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  1. ArticStorm

    ArticStorm Moderator Staff Member

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    i have installed Massive 1.5.12 on two new windows 10 machines. (it worked on an older install 1.5.11 and on my desktop without flaws).
    Tried my legit massive and R2R release, same problem the GUI freezes, i cant click shit.
    Only i think i can click is the NI logo which shows that Massive is Full.

    the thread in the NI forum didnt help at all, because there arent any of these problem i have.
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/11937/massive-stuck-on-initializing

    It is not really stuck on initializing, but the GUI simply totally locks.

    i also tried R2R 1.5.11, same problem.

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    not really in the mood to write the NI support as last time their support was not really useful.
    So i hope you guys have here any ideas.

    No NI Access or NI bloat is installed.

    Interesting if i let it run that way the process/massive freezes and crashes the VST host.
    Save buttons work, but also crash the VST host.

     
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    What's your OS exactly?
    What's your DAW?
     
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 1H21 Build 19043.928

    Savihost 1.43 latest version, Reaper 4.79, Live Suite 11.2.11
    same problem in the Standalone version.
    It freezes GUI for both legit and R2R.

    Desktop has 1.5.8 installed, which works fine. I will try to install 1.5.8 and hope this versions works. It could be that there is something wrong with 1.5.11+?
     
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    1.5.8 works fine for me.

    1.5.9 also works.

    Either R2R fucked up or NI did (when legit and R2R version show the same problem).

    i will stay with 1.5.9 for now, as it works fine and i couldnt care less about AAX and VST3 support.

    (will uninstall legit version, no really fun to have NI bloat installed, also easier with other R2R stuff.)
     
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    I was going to install it to test and help you, but as R2R version use Native access, I wont do this, sorry.
    Same reason why I dont use their Kontakt version.
     
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    Using 1.5.8 s.a. as all purpose synth in a very old system, no freeze at all, considering also that the gui is the same since I don't know when.

    So it must be definitively 1.5.12/11 the source of the problem whether network related or not.
     
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    I had 1.5.8 didn't use it for while updated from 1.5.6 or .7 i guess, and when i started using it, started to notice preset library issues , wheel spinning always. Making the folder read only didn't fix it. And i jumped back to a 1.5.0, now even the standalone works fine. And I use Win 7. NI Massive and For some FM8 gives issues even the legit ones.
     
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    Well done upgrade(s) NI. ;headbang:

    This is why I never ever rush things and stay with versions which work *for me* flawlessly.

    Regarding Articstorm's issue: what is your graphics card and driver? Try downgrading to the last superstable, WHQL graphics driver. NI stuff has issues with OpenGL lately. Before they started GUIizing using OpenGL there were no problems, or rarely with VC++ libraries. Check to have the latest VC++ libraries, too while at it. :wink:

    Cheers!
     
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    1.5.9 seems to work fine, R2R saves ass again.

    VC++ was uptodate (2005-2017 versions), graphics stuff also uptodate on intel and AMD, which had the same problems. 1.5.9 just worked fine for me now.
     
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    I find the problem.
    you really need to place the xml file by R2R provided, then after installing the NI setups run the keygens (delete all jwt files otherwise keygen will throw the dirty messages).

    thanks to @Bunford for the actual hint in another post!

    And also sorry @funtime for writing you a pm on the sister site complaining about non working releases. (It was clear stated in the readme file, but i simply didnt do it)

    It works now for all NI software i wanted to install. :mates::wink:
     
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    Hi ArcticStorm,
    I am running into same issues and unfortunatelly your way to fix it is not working for me.

    If possible pls let me know your method step-by-step with allready installed massive latest version (not working/freezing/memoryleak) in mind.

    Thanks & greetz
     
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    i can try, but i had this issue on a clean system, without !!!NI Access or anything else by NI installed before!!!

    1) install for example Native.Instruments.Massive.v1.5.12.Incl.Patched.and.Keygen-R2R.
    (Run the setup and use R2R's keygen.)
    2) When i open Massive now, i got the GUI freeze, so far i remember.
    3) Remember at this point i have no NI Access installed, so Massive will look for a way to verify the license jwt files the keygen has created. This could maybe lead the GUI freeze.
    (At the point i did try Native.Instruments.Kontakt.7.v7.3.0.Incl.Patched.and.Keygen-R2R, but here Kontakt stayed in demo, to my surprise Native.Instruments.FM8.v1.4.6.Incl.Patched.and.Keygen-R2R installed flawless and was in full version mode. This really made no sense for me at this time.)
    4) Bunford mentioned in another thread, that i should maybe copy the provided NI Access.xml file to the right folder, which R2R did provide - i still have no NI Access installed.
    5) Just to get sure i generate new license jwt files for all plugins i have installed.
    6) The keygen is complaining, that the sister is dirty - i should clean all jwt files.
    7) Massive, Kontakt, etc all work now.

    The big solver was the NI Access.xml file, which R2R has provided. It works to this day now for me.

    I hope this helps you a bit.
     
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    Thank you for this detailed explaination. I will try this and cross fingers getting it working.

    If not, older Version worked for me.
     
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    yeah Massive 1.5.9 works fine, looks like NI changed some things with newer versions. (newer versions had a few bugfixes which i found useful so i kept trying to get the new version to work.)
     
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    Same here. Was looking forward because of the fixes...and since i dont want to miss that beast i will try to figure out or use latest working (afaik mentioned 1.5.9).

    Great help so far! Thx
     
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