That's exactly the reason why I edited the 1st post of the thread :D I went through the whole 53 pages to gather tips and tricks, big pain in the A. And I said "initial" post, as in first post of the thread

 

Thank you for putting in the effort.

 

You're welcome !

 

Interesting and quite important finding about ToneX : yesterday, SpectreSoundStudio did a livestream demonstrating it with a profile he made of a single amp, without cab. He loaded external IRs and the tone was WOW : full, in-your-face, shining highs.He then switched amps (always amp-only profiles), and the result with the same IRs were really close (yup, IRs are the most critical part of your signal chain folks !). Switching IRs still kept these characteristics, just with a different taste.

I grabbed the same IRs he used, selected a ToneX amp+cab profile, disabled the cab, and the result was disgusting : boxy, no highs whatsoever, and even a nasty room reflection. Switching amps didn't help, the result was alway quite similar.

I only kept amp+cab and complex rig profiles in my database. I decided to add amp-only profiles and WOW : that's it, same tone than Glenn. Got that tone color on every single amp I tried.

Glenn said it and it turns out to be very true : ToneX IRs and cab captures are really suboptimal. If there is that little "something" missing from your favorite profiles, do yourself a favor and use amp only captures with good IRs, that will make a difference. My view on ToneX has dramatically changed since.

I've added this story to the first post of the thread

 

This happens because, when you use an amp+cab capture and disable the cab, Tonex will try (like Kemper and TH-U) to remove the cab part through audio techniques, it doesn't have the original amp part to isolate for you. IR and cab captures aren't suboptimal.

Even if you use the same IR used in a amp+cab capture, it will not sound the same (not even close), already tried that with my captures: amp+cab capture (cab disabled and the IR of the same cab loaded) vs same amp only capure + same IR loaded.

Amp only captures are the best way (only way, IMO) when you want to use IRs. Tonex (Kemper and TH-U to some extent too) does a very bad job removing the cab part from an amp+cab capture.

 

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Sounds about right and logical ! I forgot about the part where amp and cab are actually captured together as one... I'll edit this out of the first post because I've been plain lying by mistake.

Even if I'm quite happy with some presets I favorited, what I heard last night made me question everything. A/B comparisons between real rig and captured rig are like 99% identical, but none are really that "in your face", open and solid. I'm quite lost and would be interested to know the reason why, but since I finally found tones I'm super happy with, it would only be a minor answer in my life.

 

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Maybe it's easier to find your sound with IRs you already know and/or like, that could be it.

What do you think about this? Real Amp vs Full Rig Capture:

It's not perfect to the source but it is something expected from a Rectifier for sure.

You can try it yourself, it's the MirrorProfiles Recto Rev G from here: https://www.tone.net/tonex/users/mirrorprofiles

 

Thanks so much for those great recommendations. There are profiles that certainly stand out in the crowd.

My question would be, since the real magic comes when you use one "amp only" profile and blend it with a particular high quality IR cab of your choice (not the ones of Tonex)...Have you stumbled upon high quality "amp only" profiles? Would LOVE to have some more "AMP ONLY" of those users like amalgam , urzeit,plattino, etc...(Given that their amp+ cab profiles are already astounding, but anyway, I prefer cabs of my own). I know that there are some "amp only" profiles of those users, here and there but, so few .

 

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@izn444nz
Cab "removal" from Kemper, Rig Player, ToneX ... on amp+cab captures probably remove TEMPORAL components.
Keeping only INSTANT frequency components.

BUT there are temporal components on complex distortion too.
It is not instant 0 or 1.
It probably explain sub-par results.

Now we know we need "amp only" captures to shape our sound with IRs

 

There you go ! http://peeplink.in/7dc73726843a . My Library.db with both complete rigs and amp-only captures. High-gain only though (I only play MeTôÔôl). I only selected very good amp-only and stomp+amp profiles based on balance and presence. Same with profiles with cabs but hearing fatigue made me choose some crappy ones :/

Dammit I didn't even bother to check "Drive" profiles at all. And this beast is higher gain than many many "High Gain" profiles. Overwhelming af ! Thanks for the suggestion, instant favorite :D

 

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Thanks so much for your selection mate .
Shame that I am more of an EOB guy, (not so hard). But thanks anywsy!

 

Ok....stupid question. I see a lot of Tonex profile/captures are coming from Kemper
profiles. I'm assuming tho that Kemper profiles cannot be directly imported or converted
for use in Tonex? So I'm also assuming that the Tonex/Kemper profiles were made by guys
playing their kempers and capturing the result in Tonex? Is that right? I have an ass-whisket
of Kemper profiles but I can't justify spending $1K on a piece of hardware that might become
a doorstop in a few years....LOL!

 

hoping someone can help me out here a little bit,

im using tonex max and eveytime i try to add a profile from tone.net i get an error, that i have reached the maximum user tone model download exceeded. i know its tonex max, as i have access to everything, but i just seem to download any profiles from tone.net. Any help will be much appreciated. : )

 

Did you previously have the free version of Tonex that only allows twenty amp downloads? Because it sounds to me that some leftovers are messing with Tonex max. In which case you need to use a good uninstaller such as iObit uninstaller 11 to check for and remove Tonex leftovers. It may be as simple as a registery entry that needs to be removed. I would also use it to remove Tonex max. After which you can restart your PC and reinstall Tonex.

If a previous version of Tonex is not the issue then maybe someone else can help.

 

@Triphammer

No, there is no conversion tool / compatibility between ANY profilers.
There still some strange things with THU Rig Player, because it looks, sound AND behave like Kemper.

And yes, ppl are selling their Kemper second hand like hot potatoes falling from their hands.

Official new price : 1800 bucks (same with QC)
Ppl ask for around 1500 bucks second hand
Real price SOLD : around 900 bucks
Personal stats extracted from specialized music platforms

ToneX just killed QC/Kemper market
Not really Mooer GE200+, because they are already cheaper second hand than ToneX (and you need to add effects).

Be prepared to see NAM project packed into multi effect by a Chinese company soon

No one is going to capture again thousands Kemper profiles with ToneX
BUT on the other side, i'm pretty sure most best ones are already converted

And some makers already done the job commercially.
Like Tone Junky.

 

Hello,
i have tried doing that with appcleaner, as im on a mac. Did a clean reset and the restart as well, and yet the issue persists sadly.

 

Dumb question, but are you using a legit really paid version ? If not, did you properly activate ToneX ? The only Mac versions available on sister site do not include R2R keygen (and from what I read it's a bit tedious to use on Mac), so I guess it's a possiblity you did not. Last but not least : did you block tone.net and txc.ikmultimedia.com in your hosts file ?

 

Not a dumb question at all :P
I have used them both. the r2r version provided in the sister site, as well as using the keygen to use it with the latest build by IK. i even downloaded about 5 profiles before i started to get the error. Everything "max" about tonex works, apart from the ability to download profiles after the first 5 odd ones which i did.

also question, if i block tone.net in hosts, how will i be able to access the profiles online and download them? Sorry if its been already asked.

 

I think mixing both is a bad idea: it's either the paid version with a registered access to Tone.net OR the cracked version with IK sites blocked in the hosts file.

 

i actaully have a paid version of amplitube, so Tone.net was pretty important to me. Maybe ill just use the libraries shared on this group for tonex instead. Thank you