That is discounting so much though. It's 200gb because you are essentially getting a different sample every time you press a key. Every iteration of every knob turn essentially has a sample. And, because they are sample based oscillators, you are not just getting a sample player, you are getting like 30 functional synths, with all quirks, detunes, and imperfection that come with it. Contrast that with, say, a 2GB Kontakt instrument, where you are just manipulating the same sample over and over. That same sample is then shortened, lengthened, or filtered. Maybe you'll get round robin samples so it feels somewhat alive if you press the same key multiple times, but Syntronik is so much more than that. They've modeled not just the synths, but the filters, envelope times, effects etc.

It still doesn't fit my workflow, but in this case, a 200gb IS better than 2gb library in my opinion.

 

sample-based oscillator?

 

So DX7 sounds more analogue ?

 

Nah, it's hard to explain. It's something unique to FM8 (to this degree anyway) and I can't quite put my finger on it. Korg's FM has the same issue too but it's nowhere near as bad.

 

have you ever used a Syntronik before ? (I haven't tried the new one, but have the old one) They didn't modeled the synth, just 4 famous filter designs with the samples from the original synth.

 

Don't think he gets what "modeled" means.. Had they actually modeled them they wouldn't need 200gb of samples to support them.

 

I do not need such realistic instruments, where every key of a synthesizer needs to not be stretched/pitched and is a legit root note sample.
I would love that with real instruments providing such realism, if I used those in my own music. I don't. Sometimes I even appreciate some of the nasty artifacts caused by over pitched/stretching samples.

 

We call that the ZUN syndrome.
2:11

 

nothing is more analogue than this:

 

Sorry but NO i don't suck at tweaking synths since i've started music with my first analog synth (Juno-106) 40 years ago.
And YES some synths suck and some don't. It's just a question of sound quality. You can tweak a cheap sounding virtual synth for days and you'll never get the result you can achieve with a real one...
But thanks for the quote. And because you have so many questions to ask, i will ask you two.
What is being full of shit exactly? Being the smartest one on a forum?
And have you ever used analog synths? because you don't seem to be able to make the difference between a "real" sound" and a virtual one.
Try to recreate "Enola Gay" with Arturia plugins or "Dark Side of the Moon", GOOD LUCK genius!!!

 

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what is a virtual sound ? is it a sound that you can't listen but only imagine ?

 

I think he means by the term Virtual the instruments in the PC.

A Virtual Software Synthesizer is a synthesizer that is not solid - that is, hardware.
Virtual software synthesizers are also known as VSTi (Virtual Studio Technology Instrument).

 

Worth it?
probably no

Because of the Rompler Nature of Syntronik, IK focused on the Preset based thus the editing and manipulation of waveforms is kinda impossible, in terms of LFOs you can do such things in some ways.

if you want lazy analogue dreams then go for it, if you want further editing of waveforms or captures the true analogue that emulates the sound, go for an alternative.

 

I use Nebula with most VSTi synths to give the sound some depth and body, and it usually does the trick. This video changed my perception of synth sound quality.

 

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Thank you for all of the replies!
Most of them agree with my thoughts exactly.
200gb is just too much valuable HDD real estate to give up for just 5k worth of sounds. especially when I would probably only use a few of them as filler or layering with other sounds in projects.
I like having large libraries on external hdd's that I can turn on or off as I need them.
If I am using a large library for a project and it is giving me problems because it is external, then I will copy it to the main drive, use it then delete it when I am done.
I also have East-West, Uvi Falcon, Serum, Uberschall Elastik, Heatup 3, and of course, Arturia with over 30k+ sounds.
I just wanted to hear from others that have more experience using Vst Instruments.
Thanx again!
The Fishman.

 

If this was indeed modeled, each synth wouldn't need more than a 100 mb of storage (it's even a lot: look at Pianoteq)

 

-Enola gay-
No 24bit 386khz vocal recordings
No 1024 sends and 1024 returns
No 25GB drum machine like Groove agent 5
No virtual synth with 20'000 presets
No +10 EQ instances + 24 plug-ins inserted on EACH track
No +32 plug-ins inserted on the master bus
Even the most complex vsti aided by all the Google AI power couldn't be powerful enough to create those crispy, perfect organ sounds (shit, even midi files sound much better !)
No bricasti reverbs or lexicon delays

But despite its low specs, probably un hundreds of millions of people have played/ listened/danced it !
And all these decades later, radios are still playing it.

If this song could teach something to 99% of the audio professionals, musicians, wannabe stars,
that would be : humbleness/modesty .

 

Also, don't forget,
No matter how big your HD, sdd, nvme is,
If you are willing to try the arturia v collection, don't forget, the installer will:
- create over 70'000 folders
- copy over 500'000 tiny files to your disk
- take an eternity

I would understand the arturia decisions to use all those tiny files , on their V1..V2..or even their V3 ...
But there was already 9 versions, and they keep using those tiny files !
Another 1 or 2 versions, and the plug-in will use over 1 million files. WTF ? Seriously...?

 

I literally have a PCM based M1 sitting next to me that's been around for 30+ years. Those are sample based oscillators. You know that is far different than a sample player, you're just being that guy. They've existed since the mid 80's. so I'm not sure what's so crazy about it. Sure, my M1 doesn't have 200GB of samples sitting in it, but its also is limited as hell. Sounds great, but that's because of its limitations and quirky sound. Its never going to fool anyone when I try to recreate analogue sounds or real world instruments. Syntonic might actually convince someone you're using the synth its recreating.

And before someone rides in on their high horse regarding the above statement... stop.. I know, it wont fool you. Your ears are amazing. You told Tom Oberheim himself that the OB-6 just doesn't have that classic sound, and could tell me the age of an op-amp or circuit with one note, even though the circuit is exactly the same as it was in 1982. I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to the guys who are using basic sample packs, stock instruments, and are looking to add some classic synthesizer sounds to what they have. To them, I think this has more flexibility than similar things I've used and sounds better than most Arturia stuff to my ears. If you'd like to research and collect 30+ of the best sounding plugins, go for it. Its the better way to go. If not, try this.

I fully understand what modeled means. Aside from the oscillators, the ADSR, filters, modes, are all modeled on the original synths. They might not be 1 to 1, I'm sure they cut corners on envelopes and such, but its a step above UVI or Kontakt getting generic ADSR and filters for every library. Come on..

To act like this isn't above a Kontakt library in terms of matching the original synths characteristics is just being contrarian to be contrarian. It clearly has a place for someone who doesn't want 100 plugins. I have enough actual analogue synths in my studio that I have no use for it, but I still find it ridiculous to think its not miles ahead of other sample based "synths" in terms of sound and flexibility and could definitely benefit someone who understands the basics of synthesis, but doesn't want to deep dive or scroll through plugins to find a sound.

To everyone else- set aside 200 gigs of space and just try it if you're curious, don't listen to people who discount everything because it doesn't fit the way they work, or because they think anything that's not original is trash. I have a Juno 6 and 60 sitting next to me. I still use TAL U-NO every day, because I know when I can get away with using it with no one being able to tell. I do that because its easy. Its easier than turning on the 6 or 60, waiting for the circuit to get hot so it sounds good, turning all the knobs, setting levels, and having to record perfectly because they have no MIDI.

Oh, and to reply to the "Arturia doesn't fit in a mix" thing- Yeah, because they're essentially all pre-mixed with compression, EQ, and slathered with effects. That's the problem with presets as a whole when they also include effects, like Serum. Turn off the entire FX section, learn the basics of synthesis, add your own effects on sends, and you'll never have that problem. The only problem you'll be left with is the fact that all Arturia synths have this similar sound I can never quite put my finger on, but can hear in every plugin they release. I'll never be able to tell you what it is.. but I swear its there and could tell you its made by Arturia with my eyes closed. I guess I'm "that guy" too.

 

Three things.
1: I also have an M1.
2: You're being "that guy" right now.
3: See below.