Physical modelling synths - are there any actually convincing ones?

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  1. Xeraser

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    It's not a bug, it's a feature.
    Jokes aside, it's a bug in all EDIROL VSTs. Roland were very aware of it and instead of fixing it they just told users to use the internal save/load functions when wanting to save settings. It's not too bad if you use one or two instances in multi-timbral mode.
     
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  3. Valnar

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    Yeah, you forget to put reverb on them, that's why. They naturally don't come with any reverb as opposed to literally any sampled instruments. Even those that have no audible reverb aren't recorded in an anechoic chamber.
     
  4. Xeraser

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    I'm not that stupid, of course I put reverb on them. I work with an ancient version of VSL in GIGA format and it's about the driest sample library I've ever dealt with
     
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    Maybe I've just missed something with MODO Bass. I've tried it twice and it just didn't do a lot for me. I may try it again :wink:
     
  6. genophyte

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    none of my .ope files past 2020 work, and ive so many versions in a folder they actually take up 2gb of just orchestral files that dont work but i dont have the heart to delete them in case there is a fix i haven't discovered yet ....the file types are incredibly volitile and dont hold up well at all sending them via zip or raw in mediafire at all

    its a shame a bugfix was never found or made for those though.

    also it was definitely orchestral that got me into the bad habit of never closing fl studio while working on something
     
  7. Xeraser

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    I've never had an issue with loading those files on 1.0.3 by TALiO/R2R, maybe you had an older version with bugged saving? It's Roland so anything is possible. 1.0.3 has broken style previews while 1.0.1 doesn't. Things just break all the time. Maybe 1.0.1 had bugged saving/loading instead?
     
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    Plasmonic all day long... Chromophone 3 a close second



     
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    I keep both of mda's pianos around. They're absolutely killer for being like a megabyte. I even prefer them to many sample libraries.

    v2 of MODO should come out very soon now, looking forward to trying it again. They said they'd release a custom shop version with a free P-bass too.

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    I think the strength of modelling is that you can start with a clean slate and build an idealized, pristine version of whatever you have in mind. And what you have in mind doesn't necessarily have to exist yet. You can then add whatever character or faults you like to your instrument. Samples permanently capture someone or something's character. You can't easily get rid of 'sampled character', you're stuck with it forever - as opposed to 'programmed character'.
     
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    You can of course run the finished sounds through a series of effects again and really create something new.

    So I see the future in the combination of several plugins, which of course requires some knowledge and a lot of
    trial and error from the user. We do everything that is technically possible, but you have to be able to use it.

    There are many good musicians who master an instrument perfectly, but the arrangement is still a difficult
    thing that only a few master. Here again as a reminder what is available to us for sound shaping.

    Synthesis forms

    - Subtractive synthesis
    - Additive synthesis
    - FM synthesis
    - Wavetable synthesis
    - Granular synthesis
    - Physical modeling
     
  11. Genoveva Bernhard

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    @BEAT16 - I was demoing Memorymoon's Messiah. I really like it. Very powerful and flexible - and talk about flying under the radar! I was curious: which of your listed synthesis forms would it fall under? I'm guessing wavetable?
    http://www.memorymoon.com/messiah.htm
     
  12. anissbenthami

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    Sampling instruments is like going brute force to recreate it. You have to record 127 velocity layer of each single note in every articulation possible with a fair amount of round robbins (I'm sure no company does this) in the end you are left with so many gigabytes and you can't even modify the sampled instrument like changing the dimensions, the material...
    Here is a video comparison of a model from MODO BASS versus the real thing:

    I want to mention that MODO BASS comes with 14 models in less than 200mb, MODO BASS 2 will come with 22 models including 2 double-basses for 300€ if pre-ordered.
     
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  13. BEAT16

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    Messiah is a faithful Reproduction of a Sequential Circuits - Prophet-5 Synth. www.vintagesynth.com/sci/p5.php

    Hi @Genoveva Bernhard, I made a free soundset for the Messiah:

    The Abc Soundbank By Sonic Sirius for the Memory Moon - Messiah
    https://audiosex.pro/threads/the-abc-soundbank-by-sonic-sirius-for-the-memory-moon-messiah.53284/
     

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    Thanks! Talk about a smorgasbord of sounds! I looked up the basic specs of the Prophet-5. Seems like its architecture is both subtractive synthesis and FM. I guess where Messiah differs is that instead of saw, pule and tri oscillators, they have three different kinds - a morph, a unison and flexi which allows addiction, subtraction, phase distortion, etc. Pretty versatile.
     
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