No, or maybe yes if you r a major and tries to make money exploiting the ignorance of 13 yr old girls and hormonal kids,otherwise no
We haven't yet specified the standardization reference and haven't gone into its details. Maybe at the end of this thread, with the help of friends, an acceptable standard is set. Your attitude is disappointing because if you have that view, you can't make like that or even better. Last edited: Mar 31, 2022
if most people had at least a slightly educated ear and weren t completely tone deaf, the music industry would spare us a lot of crap Last edited: Apr 1, 2022
I'm neither her manager nor sponsor, and not going to promote that song. What I meant was that producers or musicians should avoid making anything and also value the the listeners' intelligence. To sit down in the morning and finish a song by nightfall and spreading it on the Internet doesn't work anymore. The quality of the works should be determined so high that the producers do not dare to produce low-quality works and be fined if they produce poor stuff. For example, for each poor work, a fine of 1000 Euros would be imposed.
You're talking like we live in a society that economically supports, practically nurtures & actively promotes artistic virtue within popular culture, whereas actually we live in a cynical, race-to-the-bottom capitalist shitshow where the only thing that counts is this weeks' bottom line i.e. short-term profit. There are too many producers who have no creative vision but much (understandable) desperation to make $$$, which has inevitably translated into a global blizzard of by-the-numbers derivative 'popular' musak (that track you posted featuring Miley Cyrus is a great example), all chasing ever-more-elusive dollars. Governments everywhere are always looking for inventive new ways to extract wealth from their helpless citizens. At best, your 'solution' would translate into a tax that'd make artists/musicians/producers even more vulnerable than they are currently... have you ever considered a career in government policy research, 'cos with 'great' ideas like that you could go far for sure! Last edited: Mar 31, 2022
Can we set a standard that music must have sound, any sound, I don't care how good or bad. I just can't stand tracks of silence being release as songs, to prove the point that people buy anything for the name. It's not artistic, it's just making people buy nothing. Even when charities do it, it's still not right.
You enter adulthood the moment you stop shoving your personal tastes onto other people´s throats. Until then, well, you´re nothing but a screaming fan with a snobish selfperception.
No but it's a good alternative to your taste becoming the norm Classical/jazz snobs aren't much better. Ain't no musical paradise except one you've created with your own hands. The whole point of that John Cage piece was to listen to everything but the piece itself - the performer closing the lid, your breathing, the audience, the wind... Last edited: Apr 1, 2022
How much should be the fine for someone promoting dictatorship in art? Who is entitled to decide what's good and what's bad?
assuming what people listent to based on their replies is quite preposterous. There sa whole world between thinking something is good and original because someone has an uneducated ear and can tell if something is just hackneyed but masked bya some sly sound or arrangement, and thiniking that loathing and despising crap like the one posted in this thread means that someone hoping for people to have a little ear training in order to keep the music industry or what remains of it from spreading this shit around, automatically is a classic,jazz snob. Obviously people appreciate what they understand, brain limitations are not a fault
I'm not a dictator. I just want sth is done on this issue. A lot of people have inherent musical ability, but because they're not directed or put in inappropriate environments, they can not be very successful in their works. Many views and tastes need to be changed to provide a suitable environment for people to grow, but unfortunately people are left in this space and cannot find their own paths of progress. The question is not easy, because now everyone claims to be God. Finally, a Christ must appear in music, otherwise the situation will not change.
If this thread wasn´t started yesterday I would consider it being a April Fools' Day thing. Dear @EEOC I seen a lot of nonsens written here since I regged way back but this thread almost beats it all. What is your real message really - I am becoming more and more in doubt ............. I actually think you are too
IF you really wanna make a hit, there is basically two kinds of attitudes, who determine everything else, including your workflow, the song structure, the hardware and software you work on, the persons you wanna work with including the choice of the producer, etc... 1°) You wanna make a hit song completely in tune with the times, connected to a tendency you feel actually among the young people (because we could agree it's the target #1 for an international hit), but you also wanna that your song can please other generations too, so your style have to be: modern AND popular, easy to listen AND exciting, rhythmic AND melodic, etc.... 2°) you actually don't give a shit to anything, you just want to make a song that express real feelings or philosophical or spiritual POV, something you actually lived / thought / dreamt / imagined based on your actual experiences, encounters, readings, earrings, watchings... The first attitude gives you a song that is so connected to a period of time that years later it will be considered as: corny, cheesy, outdated, or simply old. The second attitude could give you a song that's not "standard" in all the meanings of the term: exploded song structure, uncommon arrangements, random (read: anti-commercial) duration... ....but that will last for eternity: Queen's "Bohemian's song", Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven", Doors' "The end", AC/DC's "Highway to Hell", Metallica's "Enter Sandman", Pink Floyd's "Money" - "The Great Gig in the Sky" - "Echoes" etc... (Note: I cited essentially Rock songs, but whatever the genre or category, you can find songs or pieces that defy time: examples that comes immediately to my mind are "Carmen" from Bizet, "The Enchanted Flute" from Mozart, "The Bolero" from Ravel, "The 5th Symphony" from Beethoven, "Carmina Burana" from Carl Orff... It's not a question of genre, only a question of imprint on the minds and of large and timeless diffusion all around the world.) Last edited: Apr 1, 2022
See and hear the difference ! 2016 the air is out the spirit is gone. Billy Idol, Miley Cyrus - Rebel Yell (2016) Live Billy Idol - Rebel Yell (1983) Original Last edited: Apr 1, 2022
I never said you're one of those snobs, I just see that argument regularly made that way: "Pop sucks," and then "Classical/Jazz so much better" instead of IDM or whatever. Also funny how you think that Classical wasn't impacted by shitty taste of the common folk (Italian Opera "plague" that many romantic composers despised) or the leading figures in society at that time (Bach composing on demand, repertoire only became a thing when civil society/early capitalism emerged). Jazz was definetly impacted by the music industry. Honestly, I'm asking you what's an educated ear to begin with? In Adornos "Introduction to music sociology" he mentioned that an indicator for having educated ears is being able to formally divide an Anton von Weber piece and undermining your reasoning with arguments - would you be able to do that? Not to say that you're a snob, but I am saying that if there was a snob olympics you would definetly not be the winner of it, so why look down onto other people when some can do the same to you? It's just a phony opinion to have imo. Brain limit lmao. No offense but you're on the same level of the people you critizise.
Talent is innate, but taste is acquired. No one is born with a certain taste, but taste forms over time. It's not right to encourage people to have strange tastes to fight the music economy. Originality has nothing to do with strange tastes. Strange tastes creates strange creatures and strange creatures have no chance of survival. Those who encourage weird tastes are actually betraying music producers because they're depriving them of stepping in the right direction.
