Yes, your reaper recorded file of an offline ableton bounce changed my mind. Cool, thanks bye.

 

Please, by all means, put the same audio file in each of those DAWs, making sure all the playback engine settings and sample rate are the same, and render the file without any processing. Or, as Grater demands, record the online output.

Then open the outputs in an editor, zoom in to the peaks and troughs of the waveform, throw a frequently analyzer on it, and compare them. Then tell us where you can see the "body" or the "clean and open" sound between them.

 

Thanks. I'll have to demo Cubase sometime when I have my studio back up and running and compare with logic and pro tools. I like how Cubase integrates well with hardware and midi too.

 

Bro, how many times do we have to repeat this: it's NOT about offline bouncing, but about the live playback engine of the daw. I never assumed offline bouncing would sound different, what bothers me is that live playback sounds worse than other daws. And you cannot compare that by bouncing a file offline. Using a third party non-daw recorder is the only way to do this more or less objectively

 

Did u try just A/B ing a track/pre-master you have done or know on live and another daw, if u have more than one other daw try with a couple different other ones

I mean how it sounds when u play it back before u render it, how it sounds while you're mixing tracks together before you render.like i said null tests been done loads they null most times yes. but to me they still sound different when i press play.

 

And if you read again what I just wrote, you would see that I included "online output". In fact, we should compare the online output to the offline output and see what those differences are - if any.

 

So, if you make a song in one DAW, export the .wav stems and import them to all other DAWs, you can hear the difference? How is that different to a null test?

 

Cool yeah try it bro, i feel what your saying though its bothered me also.

 

a null test is playing the tracks back and switching phase to null, what i mean is for the last time please, just putting a track in live and another daw and jus listening for any differences not bouncing, just by ear.

 

As I tried to explain several times, it's a live recorded output of a realtime playing Ableton Live, no offline bounce. Is this so hard to understand? Seems you simply can't accept that you may be wrong.

Don't blame Ableton for you not even wanting to find the real problem with your audio setup. Since you're on macOS, maybe it's an aggregate device, maybe sound driver or tools like Audio Hijack, Loopback or something like this.

Sorry that I tried to help, this thread might still be useful for other people.

 

It's impossible to argue with these people. They are like robots lmao. If "science" can't prove sth it doesn't exist. Doesn't matter that renowed professionals whose livelihood depends on their sonics say the same shit behind closed doors lol.

 

my problem with gaybleton is the sample rate keeps jumping from 44100 to 48000 and back click click

 

True, I came to this conclusion 50 comments ago, you had more patience than me in looking for a solution: there is none so deaf as he who will not hear

 

Get real, dude. I have only been here to encourage serious testing so that you clowns could back up your subjective claims. A few of us tried to replicate your test (a test, in which the Logic file had more drift to the original loop than Ableton did - something you tried to pass off as a problem with AudioHijack and simply left it at that) and none of us have been able to get the same results.

Instead of trying to nail down the technical controls and find a solution, which some of us are trying (wasting time) to help you do, you continue to dodge each attempt with some retarded shit about how we are invoking "science" against you. No, unless you are willing to account for all the variables and accept the findings of others, this thread is simply about your subjective opinion. You asked for help, you asked for the "why".

You sound like one of those telekinetics who, when asked by skeptics to provide evidence of their psychokinetic abilities, they either want full control of the test environment on their terms or they dodge it completely.

You couldn't even provide files that were in sync or cut to length ffs. I did the exact same procedure as you mentioned (even using audio hijack) and I didn't get the same result. If you don't find that interesting in terms of finding a solution to your original question, then it is hopeless.

 

Blah blah blah. Prove it objectively or GTFO.

 

I never intended to make this thread to prove anything. If you believe they sound the same that's cool. My question: did you actually do the same test I asked people to do? Meaning: having both DAWs open at the same time and playing back the same file? Did you hear a difference?
If you didn't I don't understand why you and others are still shitting up this thread and wasting space. If you chalk it up to me doing the "wrong" type of testing, cool. Get out then. If you hear the same discrepancies and want to understand why ( not that "testing" was done wrong) that's the reason I made this thread, cause clearly many professionals with good ears hear the same thing. I merely uploaded the recordings to showcase what I'm hearing when I'm using the live audio playback engine of Ableton, not as indefinite proof in the DAW wars - I could care less if others hear the same shit.
To those who don't hear any difference: I wish I didn't cause I love Ableton's workflow. Now please, for the love of Rupert Neve, stop shitting up this thread if you have nothing to add and just want to argue. And no more insulting of my genitals please.

 

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@Grater Do you think with this bad attitude that someone is willing to help you now? Due to your frustration you are bullying whoever tries to fix the problem (let me tell you, this is quite lame). Surely the solution will be more complex than throwing your keyboard on the screen and saying "Ableton-BAD"
But don't ask me, it's too late now

 

worst thing is ,it usually starts as a genuine question, someone looking for people who experienced similar stuff as to have a conversation about it.then ends up with peeps who don't agree with ya kinda telling u ur wrong ish for mentioning what's on your mind lol. there might(better tread carefully) be something there as its only ableton live that gets brought up in regards to the same kinda query.

Look i don't know the answer wish i did , and i can only speak for myself in saying that I do think live sounds a bit different when monitoring through speakers or headphones.dont know why or how, just my thoughts.Trust me I love Live, i get mad that i find it easier to mix in cubase or logic seems i can just place things better and hear more detail,dont know why i just do.end up doing double the work most times as in make the track in live and mix in another daw, wish i didn't have to trust me because live is my favourite daw, its just that one thing that bugs me a little.

 

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I find it laughable that a Logic user who actually knows the program would be so "in love" with Ableton.

All it proves is that you don't actually know how to operate either of them.

Save the witty reply with the name dropping, no proof, no anything but some crazy space shit.
It's too easy to spot bullshit artists. Circular pan law? Go back to your FL 2 platitudes you saw someone else type somewhere.

Plonk. ignored.