Okay, recently I've posted I'm finally grabbing an FL Studio...
But there's something that triggered me to change my decision and I don't know what the hell was it, it just sorta feels right being with ableton because of the large number of, discrimination always given to FL Studio users...

I've seen various topics about it, and as always,
this forum is like where I do my final decisions...
Please do help me choose guys...

By the way, I'm a producer of various stuffs,
from boom bap hip-hop, Pop, Rnbish styles...
to a little bit of electronics...
My cravings are converting my creations from my final produced
to somehow playing with it...
Now I remember what triggered me to go with Ableton,
I've tried the whole thing, it's not that bad...
But I'm still trying to figure out how to play live,
considering that I only have an Akai MPK Mini 25 as a controller
and a korg microkey 25 too...
Not really for live playing but, hey...
If the Launchpad could also be a controller like keyboard
maybe the keyboard could be also played like launchpad lol...

That would be it I guess, I'm heading way off...

My needs are
• Good with various Genre of production,
• Smooth processing's and Routing (inputs, outputs, sends, ins, "sidechains" *not just for edm)
• Live playing

So, "let the Games Begin!" ~ Hunger Games (recently watched) lol.

FL Studio VS Ableton

NOTE: No other DAW's please... This is really important to me... And if you're going to suggest something like Pro-Tools... I think I'm not "worthy" (what a word) of holding something that big yet... I use cubase for my vocals and it's doing fine for me.


ONE LOVE
GOOD VIBES

 

Use both for production purposes. For live stuff use Ableton.

 

For performing or remixing live, nothing beats Live. So many big names are using Live, at least while performing - you cannot go wrong with it.

But there's a demo, just try for yourself. Launchpad Mini is only 100 bucks, but you have to have some skills to use it like the pros.

 

Hey man, had the exact same decision 3 years ago.

When I was starting out, Fruity Loops was the first DAW I tried to make music with, tho after many months of trying I just couldn't grasp it.

So after doing some researching , I came across Ableton. I was skeptical when I started to use it as the GUI looked to me like a bunch lego blocks, and everything looked alien to me compared to FL.



But I did manage to learn it.
Fast forward a year and I knew Ableton inside out.

Now I will get to the chase with what I think are positives and negatives for Ableton.

Positive:
-Has one of the best time-stretching algorithms and features if not the best out there.
-To me Midi editing is superb, much more fluent than FL, little things like applying grooves which seem that much faster.
-Being able to capture ideas very quickly while being in the seesion view
-Dialing in Automation parameters are much easier.
-Creating very deep modulation using audio effect racks and macros.
-Cutting,chopping, and looping is super fast in Ableton.
-Max for live where you can find tons of free plugins and even create some of your own.
-Modulate ANYTHING, and I mean anything e.g: Modulating 15 parameters at the same with 1 knob, and lets say there are 8 of these which are controlling 15 parameters, 8x15= 120 , 120 parameters automated with only 8 automation lanes, and that only takes few minutes. So imagine the level of complexity you can create.
-Routing is quick and easy.


Negative:
-Is much more CPU intensive than FL, so expect to be bouncing out tracks out in audio more than you would with FL.
-When mixing I find my mixes doesn't sound as good, compared to ones done in Pro Tools, (could be due to Plugin Delay Compensation or just the plugins itself.)



That's all I can think of for now.
I do love Ableton, but it does have its flaws. Mainly use it for performances with Traktor and Idea creation and then mix everything in Pro Tools.


My Best advice would be to sketch the tracks out in Ableton and mix it on Cubase or anything similar.

Hope this helps

 

-still don't like the missing of the PDC for automation in Live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbFzRTZT8Q8

-and in AL there is no ghost/shared clip possibility (so there is no any link between the clip instances) ... only when u use looping

-"Is much more CPU intensive than FL" +1, FL can switch off those plugins which ones haven't got any audio/midi inputs

ps. if u buy a template on http://www.myloops.net/products-page/templates/ u can compare their sounds using plugins, sound of Cubase(7,or 7.5, the cracked 5.x.x. ones are not too good) are much much better then any of them, so u also need a good post-production DAW anyway beside of any them (AL, or FL)

 

i can only tell you that Ableton crashes on you 20x times more while FL just once ...simple truth ! ...if you want Ableton and waited so long, do yourself a favor, wait till Bitwig comes out and buy that thing ...Bitwig will be Ableton on steroids and if it will cost less, then it will be the end for Abletun *yes*

 

And if you're going to suggest something like Pro-Tools... I think I'm not "worthy" (what a word) of holding something that big yet...

I remember when I first began producing I learned on cheap cakewalk software. Then I used cheap Cubase LE software and saw that it did a lot of the same things, just differently. Then I saw somebody using pro tools one day and was surprised that I could actually understand what he was doing by just watching. I told him that I do the same stuff with my DAW that he's doing and asked him what was the big deal about pro tools. He said "well, if you've used one DAW you've basically used them all." They all do the same basic stuff, some are better at some things than others. Its all about what you're comfortable with."

So I pass that along in hopes that there are not people out there avoiding pro tools like the plague because its "too hard". If you can learn to use Ableton Live effectively then you can learn pro tools. Or any DAW for that matter.

Having said all that...personally I like FL Studio better than Ableton Live. I've spent more time with it, and the workflow agrees with me. Not that Ableton is bad, its just one of those DAWs where you have to sort of 'unlearn' what you know. Its a different kind of beast. I see its potential though, and plan on spending more time with it in the future. I also think that songs I make in FL Studio sound better before I mix them in Studio One.

I've got too much time on my hands...I'm gonna go make some music. Peace.

 

But what to do until it really comes out?

The guys from Bitwig made a big mistake to go public much too early, you just cannot spend your money on promises. *no*

 

ok sry, then go back to on-topic, what about the envelope controllers in AL, have u find a usable MIDI note triggered one, seems the modulation possibilities of FL is much more advanced

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t1YDI_nsRo

vs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLjffU8bPoo

the max device can't use outer midi triggering track for example (you have to programming one)

 

Use whatever you are comfortable with.
And more importantly which DAW you really know inside out..

`the end`

 

Dunno, both are kinda eh imo. Some points to consider:

I get the impression Live is good for, well, Live stuff. I know some people who use FL, one person that uses AL.

Cross platform: FL is PC native, CX/WS-wrapped on Mac meaning you can use windows VSTs on mac. AL runs natively on mac meaning you get a perhaps nicer UX, AU support but if there's any win-onry VSTs, you'll miss them

Plugin handling: FL native & 3d pty plugins behave about the same in the UI. For AL, included plugins are well integrated into the UI. 3d pty VSTs aren't so. Also, i've been hearing PDC issues like one person has said above.

 

In these times, there isn't one DAW that's perfect. Find the DAW you can deal with.

 

PLM

Bitwig will never 'come out" it's an urban legend.. don't u know? *yes*

 

I'm starting to believe this. Bitwig is the Chupacabra of DAWs.

 

I would choose live because:

It has some awesome compressors which are very easy to use

Ableton has the most official tutorials of all daws

Including tutorials of tricks you will have to find out yourself in fl studio.

Live has both arrangement view and session view and now dual screen

Using loops is way easier then in fl studio, the stretching is wonderfull

Grouping works flawless with unendless amounts of insteuments in effects in 1 group.

Although most things are also possible in other daws it is faster and easier in live.

Only fl studio looks better with all the lovely colors and meters.

 

We only compare fl and live here, i don't have a mac but i saw in video's logic also has a nice colorful look but the same counta for cubase, it is something that is missing big time in studio one and live, maybe for future releases.

Bitwig could be the god of daws

 

please show me how do u do the MIDI note triggered ADSR envelope controlling in Live, I really want to know because this why I'm not using AL currently

this is the FL way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHFxw77v88c

btw grouping in FL using the Channel Filter Groups (+ Patcher + Layers) also easier/faster in FL...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvsnjzWqaMI

 

^^^ This

Seriously, I totally believe this is what it is.

 

If the guy said no other DAWs please why do we have conversations about the sound quality of FL Studio vs Cubase 5 vs. Cubase 7? Why are we talking about Bitwig Studio? Stay on topic folks so the guy and everyone after him can just get some solid information on the title of this topic not everything but.