The best way to respond to your comment here is to request you to provide an example , a portion of music which you create that you specifically write to be the antithesis of " muddiness " , " disguised " , " vagueness " .

Then I will write a portion of music that uses the qualities of Jazz , which is much less
" muddy " , " disguised " , " vague "
Than anything you are about to produce.

( I'm willing to put my money where my MOUTH is , are you fine sir ? )

[ this is all in good fun for the sake of love of good music i hope you agree , there is no bad blood here ]

 

Big phrase, (who's trying to appear brilliant? Lol ) but you didn't read what I wrote obviously.

I repeat better.
You believe that people think they are brilliant because they use these chords, but you are wrong, as most people that use extended chords consider this as basic.

Culture is like jam, the less you have the more you need to spread it out.

 

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It is interesting that the meaning of brilliance before its secondary meaning was associated with intelligence means a bright shining emanating light. It is brilliant because it is and finds no need to tell anyone it shines brightly, it is inherent to its nature and intrinsic The initial intent in applying it to intelligence was much the same, being an intelligence or idea that shone brightly without needing to tell anyone and perhaps not even knowing they are intelligent.

There is no mystery to extended chords. It is like the first meaning. A beautifully voiced extended chord shines musically and finds no need to explain itself or why it exists, it is humans that complicate it. Anyone who has bothered to understand music has learned this and its formations and rules as you know Oly . Perhaps it might be worth closing this thread because it is only going to go around in circles. @Olymoon He will reply to whomever he feels will continue the thread so he can take it on its meaningless journey to perpetual tangents that have no relationship to the topic.

 

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@Riviera - you should be more careful who you ignorantly quote.

Tolstoy criticised art that was not 'authentically spontaneous' - which is a poke in the eye to your anti-improvisation rhetoric.

And he also said "critics are the stupid who discuss the wise" - which blows smoke up the arse of your entire existence.

 

This is my last comment in this thread.

I respect all of you and your perspectives but:

Jazz is not music, it's a religion. Jazz fans are like believers in it. No one can separate a firm believer from his religion and make him think, and there is such a case about jazz fans.

How much I try and explain that the roots of jazz are wrong and that its fans are thinking wrong, it won't have any effect. Even these fans are likely to attach bombs to themselves and kill me with themselves so as not to harm their jazz religion.

Jazz religion is one of the most powerful religions. People who love jazz have nothing to do with music, but they're just aiming to preserve their faith. These beliefs can be personal beliefs or jazz-inspired beliefs. Any striving and teaching them the right way to think will be useless and they will again turn to jazz.

That's why it's not possible to answer the straightforward question that I've had, using jazz concepts, and I don't insist much.

I'm leaving all the devout jazz members of this thread alone with their beliefs and I don't even express any kind of hope because I know it's vain. Jazz has separated its course from music and is going the other way.

 

Amen to that - if only it were true.

You've convinced me (not for the first time) that...
- you don't know what jazz is,
- you don't know what music is,
- you don't even know what bullcrap is - because if you did you'd avoid generating it.

 

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Charlie Christian
Thelonious Monk
Jesus Molina
Idris Muhammad
Freddie 'Elron' Hubbard

 

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A little reminder, extended chords are far to be exclusive to Jazz.

By this comment, you are demostrating 2 important things

1 You didn't created this thread to understand anything, but to try to spread your point of view under the disguise of a curious person who had genuine questions / intentions...

2 You are the only person having a dogmatic view of music here as you are as closed as to think that a music genre played by hundreds of musicians around the world is not music.

Anyway, you are going off topic in your own thread as you came out of any valid argument.

 

The way that I understand these things ,is that all genres are good .
I love music deeply.
There might be a certain aspect that a genre shines with , but all genres are good in my mind .
Its just that different genres have different lessons within .
What about the perspective of just loving music itself ?
Just make the music that comes from your own heart man .

( do you agree or disagree with that ? )

 

Hello ,fine sir I made you a comment ( earlier in the thread) that demonstrates extended chords to answer you that even including a video which you can see and hear the sound of the demonstration .

( also images to see how to build the example up in daw yourself)

I was just wondering if you checked that out yet ,
And if you had any remaining questions about extended chords pertaining to the way I answered you .

Thanks my friend

 

@Riviera
Do you like rock? Rock 'n Roll? Bluegrass? Blues?

Jazz came from blues and cottonfield work songs, Rock'n Roll came from jazz, Rock from Rock n' Roll and Bluegrass is a country 2-beat derived from Dixieland 2 beat.
You need to learn something about the roots of music and what any style was derived from before you call anything as something it is not.

 

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I think this thread should be closed by now.

 

Given taht OP is out, we could close this thread. If any new , interesting idea comes out of your brain, please feel free to open a new and sincere thread.
Thanks to all that contributed to explaining extended chords and their uses. It's really great to see members exchanging honstly about music.