Creating music using illegal content

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  1. RitchieM

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    Interesting indeed
     
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    Blithering is also a firm fave
     
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  3. droplet

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    Chicago Blues craziness off the pentatonic scale! No VSTs to see here. Move along...
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    Huh?
     
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    Are the bells from 8dio?

    but seriously, I find it hard to believe that problems could arise for a track. notice how they get you when you distribute?

    but there was that the famous Steinberg kidnaping case back in 1994. They courageously forged ahead to release vst in 96.
     
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  7. Jedi_Knight

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    Ive shared plenty over the years. What have you on me?! :dunno: To each their own.
     
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    Regarding watermarks, how can it even survive some processing? If it's hidden somewhere in the signal, even a touch of reverb would blur it.

    On another topic, I've been recently made aware you can't copyright a drum beat... so how does this applies to drum packs? (not that use any, just curious)
     
  9. recycle

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    I wouldn't be so sure, you should get better informed on the subject

    Generally, every sample taken from already published material will have to go through the clearance process. Speaking of sample packs, you don't have to assume that each of them is royality free, read the contract carefully
     
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    I don't know, I have yet to see actual evidences of that technology in use... If it was the case, you'd see more people demonstrating how it works. To me, it doesn't seem feasible, it's just a scary story some gearslutz boomers are propagating. It's not magic, a signal is a signal, if it's hidden somewhere, you'd see it in the analyzer.

    Imagine you do the same thing to a picture, if you had blur (reverb) or shifting effects (delay) or whatever, you'd greatly alter the picture watermark, now mix many images together (having 20+ layers of instruments), and bury it under even more effects (processing/mixing), I think you'd hardly find traces of the original watermark anywhere... and you'd probably need some impossible algorithm to recognize that distorted iteration of the watermark - and know where to look. Sounds like a pointless and costly endeavour.

    I'm just curious about this topic. Personally, I don't use too many samples, I like sound designing my stuff, and I have plenty of material from my legit purchases.
     
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  12. jojofun

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    I don't get the whole presets issue.
    Presets are just settings on a synth or sampler. I do understand that reselling sample and preset packs is a common issue, but I hope
    that folks are having issues with actual music that used a preset. That's crazy to me. Like really, if one does not want another to use their preset, then don't release it to the internet. And still, at some point, someone else is likely to make a similar sound anyways.

    This knob is turned this way and that one that way. And these sliders are at these levels.
    "Hey, you! You used my preset on that VSTi! I want my royalties!". That's some real bullshit.
    Honestly, the music industry is now filled with thirsty/hungry people who are scrapping to get paid any way possible.

    I really get tired of all these damn loop packs flooding everywhere. Ahh, royalty free, unless you get a major placement. That's why I'm glad that A.I. assisted algorithms are being developed that can dissect sounds into instruments and MIDI.

    Hip Hop was built on sampling. And now everyone is pushing sounds out to people and at the same time trying to protect them (samples, one-shots, presets, chord progressions, etc.).

    A shame that I've got to now alter, reverse engineer, or substitute whatever isn't 100% royalty free. I'm am NOT splitting shit with anyone b/c of a damn one-shot [turned instrument] that came from a loop, preset, or whatever.
     
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  13. BEAT16

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    Everyone in this world is free to invent, sell, and buy things.
     
  14. anonymous1119

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    sorry to "reopen" this dead thread. I wanted to know:

    is this watermark thing present within DAWs as well??

    I was thinking about using a not-so-legit version of a DAWs but with legit VSTs.
     
  15. RobertoCavally

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    Almost all audio files sold as samples for professional use are watermarked, NOT to hunt around "bad kids" using them, but to mark them as the company's property, so if some other company resells them, the originator has some proof. These are the same for all end users (so you can not be "tracked down")*.

    I know this bc I've seen the process - it's easy, fast and sometimes they do it for their own reference. Also, my audio files I deposit with my collecting society get watermarked (and I didn't even asked for it)..

    Some paranoid sample lib devs claim they watermark their samples as an ID for different users (e.g. 8DIO). I don't know whether it's true, I just don't buy stuff from anyone that threatens me.. (and I spend too much on libs, their loss ..;)

    To your question:
    I use Ableton and Reaper DAWs and here is the difference: Ableton has a lot of sample content, sampled instruments etc - these can be watermarked, but again, not individually per user. Reaper does not come with sample content, so there really isn't much to watermark (and they are cool anyway). IRs could also have WM..

    TL;DR
    If you are asking if DAWs themselves watermark audio, I can ~99.8% assure you the answer is NO! (unless you want them to..)
     
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    so theoretically, If I use legit plugins/VST with not-so-legit DAWs, I would be fine right?
     
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    people used to say to my that you wont get a record contract using pirated samples and vsti`s well boom been doing it for years lol last 2 years i had 22 releases,
     
  18. RobertoCavally

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    theoretically, using legit plugins/VSTs with not-so-legit DAW is just the same as using everything not-so-legit or everything legit. If you are talking VSTs like some pricey EQ, comp etc - it will be (almost) impossible to spot in the end audio (your product).

    if you are talking VSTis like kontakt + sample libraries, that's another story. Same with sample packs. If your DAW comes with sample(d)-instruments/packs, the same applies (those are also usually 3rd party addons)

    When starting to legitimize your business, first worry about composition/melody/hook, then samples/libs, then DAW, then VSTs

    Always read the End-User License Agreement (EULA), sine these things vary a lot.
     
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  19. Riddim Machine

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    If watermarking libraries, daws, and samples is a reality nowdays, we better go back to cratediggin' oldschool songs and chop it, like the guys from the 90's... For me is less opressive sampling an old R&B song that no one knows than using a "royalty free" full of watermarks. What a joke this companies are
     
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    My idea was using a not-so-legit DAW with BBC Discover Free library from spitfire audio as well as Audio LABS Free libraries to try and be safe but as far as I can understand, I am not (?)
     
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