The placebo is just as relevant if using hardware.

 

[ @ - 'rosko' : you said.... 'The placebo is just as relevant if using hardware.' ]

Man , WHaaaaaa ????
Yer high 'er something for REAL !!! / I'll take my Tube comp's & Real Piano , Drm set, Guitars ....)
ANY DAY !!! Over some pc emulated , sampled thang , blah-blah-blahhhhh !!

I can understand , all who njoy and use vst plugz or vsti Synths. I can & hell , even make for alott'a
people to use!!

What really BURNz my arse , is TON'z of 'so-called virtual musicians' , REMOTELY having
an opinion about how this piano sounds, or this drum kit sounds , ..... when the most of them ; HAVENT EVEN been
in a room with a Drum set in it , even sat down at a 8 foot or 12 foot steinway piano ; and 'actually' PLAYED
the real deal , of ANY instruments !!!???

Ive truely heard Many , Many artist make these types of opinions , and to me ; it's like a blind man describing a color.
.... Cant be done !!!

You MUST truely sit and play these instruments ; "smell the air and the sound" , of whaT 'REAL' soundz like ;
Before .... its been emulated for a damned computer !!


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There is no comparison at all in a room.
I will say it gets alot closer when the real thing is recorded and compared, But record it yourself and it sounds so much better. Alot of that is due to compression on the samples.

Someone up there said modelers are better than samples... it depends om what it is. Piano samples are better that that pianotech software as an example.
Acoustic drums are better sampled.

voo

 

Finally the sound out of the speakers is what does count. Music is not only made for musicians, but for all people, and most of the people just cannot tell the difference between a good sampled piano and a real one in a full mix when listening to speakers. Same goes for hardware vs VSTs.

Without scientific double blind test all statements concerning sound comparision are not really useful.

 

No offence,
The Just good enough, No one will notice is something I would never accept.

Its a good thing to develop your own sound.
When you start playing real guitars, bass, piano you hear things that mesh together. overtones, nuances Things that sound cool. NO its not the same.

and yes I use samples and vsts as well

Would love to see progress.
You see I am from the guitar world. Ive been playing for 25 years. ok hearing real amps to emulated.. HUGE Difference

Now recently there has been huge breakthroughs.. The Kemper and and the Axe series.
They both blow away anything on the computer.

When this technology finally shows up on the PC then we will hear Compressors that are more transparent and anything that uses a "Model"

Acoustica Nebula is making strides.. Noone else is.

voo

 

It does not make a difference for the listener if I play a real piano or a good sampled one - if he cannot here a difference, right? Of course I can, I know both. *yes*

Not everyone is able to learn let's say the clarinet because he wants to write for/use a clarinet. But nowadays he can at least 'play'/program the clarinet through sample libraries.

BTW I'm kinda oldschool as well, I started my first instrument (guitar) when there was no such thing as a VST (and no Internet - yes, I'm rather old).

But I just do not want and cannot to go into those technical things, finally I'm a musican, not an engineer.

 

@-'DokX' .... 'finally I'm a musican, not an engineer.'

Thats all I needed to hear ya say.

Iam a multi-track engineer & sound designer ... There Is a difference.
The people are important to me too , But that's only because ; of my
'end results' as a recording engineer and then FOR SURE , sending out my
2 to 4 track 'renders ; for a REAL master engineer to mix down !!

.... There IS , a difference !!


That ends my cnversation now.