Cracked plugins mindset

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  1. Stuck In The 80s

    Stuck In The 80s Rock Star

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    The video suggests there is a relationship between the following facts.

    a) People believe they will only achieve the success they are craving if they possess the latest plugins
    b) Plugins can't transform turds into hit songs

    If you agree that a and b are true, then you shouldn't use cracked software.

    But surely if a and b are true, then this is also an argument to not buy the software either.

    Whether it's cracked or not, is irrelevant.

    Whilst I agree that I really don't need any more plugins that model high-end 70s outboard gear, and I probably have enough synths to not need a "Serum 2", the clamidya type VSTs scoffed at in the video (Scalar 2, Captain Chords, EZ Keys, Riffer etc) significantly lessen the likelihood that individuals are left with a turd to polish.
     
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  2. keygen.exe

    keygen.exe Producer

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    Yea I see what you mean but you are comparing a physical product with a digital one. And when i said that i meant in the production industry.
     
  3. mastertone

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    Some of warez load faster and use less cpu power than the legit ones. So if you buy them you're getting a product with bottle neck effect. yet if you use warez your plugin wont be able to update said program unless a new work around is released once more. On a facebook group a saw some idiot bragging about all the plugins he has and admits they're all k'd and was offering to sell (freely available for people with the know how.) them to whom ever was interested. I hate people like that.
     
  4. Smoove Grooves

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    @Anubhav Ukil For a person who understands English perfectly, your misuse of the comma makes it very hard for me to understand what you are saying.
    Please just ease back on your misuse of the comma.
     
  5. Anubhav Ukil

    Anubhav Ukil Producer

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    Well, I edited it to my best and used as less 'Comma' as possible.
    Sorry.
     
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  6. Smoove Grooves

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    No apology needed! I would just like to be able to understand you easier.
     
  7. smegma

    smegma Noisemaker

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    Vst plugin makers make 1 copy of a plugin and then sell it million times. In a store if you steal a can of cola, for instance, you rob them because they have to waste their money to produce a new one. For plugin makers piracy is their expenses for selling million copies of once produced piece.

    Also didnt mention the fact that piracy works like a free marketing thing for them.

    You know that's like for ordinary companies that need to waste their money on social responsibilities etc. They have to admit that some people would take their product for free because it's a digital product, not a real one.

    If I take their product, they don't lose the money because I might never ever consider buying it with my budget (knowing some companies target at audience of US and UK where people can afford their libraries and vsts with their high prices and people in poor countries like Russia, Ukraine, India, Brazil, Belarus, Balkan countries can't afford it).

    In fact they get a possibility of me buying it to support them and me telling my friends or my audience it's a good product and then getting some customers.
    They don't lose money that way comparing them to ordinary companies that sell REAL products that they need money to reproduce if someone steals it from their REAL store.
     
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  8. Howard Carpendale

    Howard Carpendale Platinum Record

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    Yes ok , you but look to sports : you need to buy your needed gear also when not beeing a pro and making money with it .But here we go now with the ones who can afford and those who cant , so everybody must know for themselfs .

    Small developers with affordable and no shit protection pested plugins should be supported but these idiots dont understand that they would make twice the money with offering pay safe card and cash on delivery (also for digital products yes )and this and that .
    They often just offereing paypal option ; so lost .
     
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  9. Smoove Grooves

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    Interesting. Would a 3rd party ecrow service be needed in this instance, maybe including a small deposit from the buyer that commits them to wanting to buy the digital product?
     
  10. Smoove Grooves

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    Regarding the thread title:
    I'm a studio and live session keys player, and whilst my earnings usually just go into living and also back into my live rig, I do sometimes spend out on a new instrument library for Kontakt.
    So even though what I'm about to say is related to having a cracked version of Kontakt, it's still about being able to try before we buy. Plus I also paid for legit Kontakt.
    I bought a very expensive piano library, with loads of mic options, all recorded through some great mics.
    The YT video looked and sounded great, so I bought it.
    Not imagining that the lower register would be totally unusable and out of context with the rest of the keyboard, due to lack of samples to cover the velocities needed.
    Within a day or so, it was shared.
    Which was great and meant I could delete it.
    Never again, when there are many £100s at stake. I think the lib was nearly £300.
     
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  11. Howard Carpendale

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    The parcel service or the mail does it .
    I guess one way could be to download sw on www and serial comes with cash by delivery with mail . Easy way to pay , but i guess its just dreams cause maybe in 10 years no cash money exists anymore only digital .
    But here we back again with reasons for piracy :many people are not able to pay digital .
     
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  12. RitchieM

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    See, to me the whole point of that video is not the morality of using pirated software, it’s what they are saying about having all the gear and no idea. Rather, have a smaller toolset but understand how the tools work and how to get the best out of it, not just spend 3 hours finding which of the 5 emulations of the same compressor has the best presets (again, guilty of that myself!)
     
  13. Obineg

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    which is not an excuse at all to not a buy a license.

    "buy the software but install the crack". since 1992.

    p.s.: well, when i think about, i mostly program my own apps. actually i have no idea why i am collecting software which i dont use.^^
     
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  14. djru5h

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    i have an hdd full of cracked plugins, many of which i have yet to use in my music.. that being said I am an advocate for the 'try before you buy' philosophy.. so far I have purchased licenses for Reason 11, Studio One 5, Softube Console 1, Arturia Analog Lab, AKAI MPC Software and NI Traktor Pro 2.x.. As a result, I go to sleep at night with a clear conscience..
     
  15. Roject

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    Björk "Studio" in 1994





    Björk music in 1994

     
  16. Smoove Grooves

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    @Roject I don't know what you are trying to say.
    Please remember who produced that album! And the next one!
    She always liked to use little things to write with. Hence using the Yamaha SU-10 later on as well.
     
  17. phloopy

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    Spot on in many ways.... I like the last part about Stevie and Prince... even I dont completly agree regarding Prince´s LPs.... I find many of his old stuff being well (emotional) recorded.... especially Parade, Round The World in a Day and Purple Rain.

    Thanks for the video @tzzsmk :wink:
     
  18. BuntyMcCunty

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    Technical personnel

    • Björk – producer
    • Paul Corkettengineer
    • Nellee Hooper – producer, engineer
    • Howie B – engineer
    • Hugo Nicolson – engineer
    • Brian Pugsley – engineer
    • Al Stone – engineer
    • Mark Warner – assistant engineer
    • Paul Wertheimer – engineer
    • Goetz Botzenhardt – assistant engineer
    • Jim Abbiss – engineer
    • Dave Burnham – engineer
    • Jean-Baptiste Mondino – photography
    • Pete Lewis – assistant engineer
    • Jon Mallison – assistant engineer
    • Mike Marsh – mastering
    • Tim Dickenson – assistant engineer
    • Andy Bradford – assistant engineer
    • Oggy – assistant engineer
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  19. Cav Emp

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    Yeah his argument about stealing physical items rang against my bullshit meter. I agree with him about many points but his inclusion of crap like that weakens his whole case.

    He's probably just mad Floki killed him in Vikings
     
  20. Smoove Grooves

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    I don't where you got that from for this album?
    Maybe because it was released on One Little Indian?
    Because the truth of the matter is here below.
    I mean we all know that Nellee did all the work! As she will tell you herself if you knew her.
    Any other lucky Producer credit she has for this, apart form individual songs, is related to the Japanese releases.
    Screen Shot 2021-02-05 at 15.50.44.png
     
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