Sub Bass Perceived Volume... How to deal with?

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  1. Doctor_Me

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    I don't think so, it will help evening out the peak levels for me, right? But my problem is more about the difference I hear from the bass notes at the same volume, like A# (58Hz) sounding louder than the F# (46Hz) even if they're peaking at the same volume. But thanks for your suggestion.
     
  2. Kwissbeats

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    I would skip al measurement and automation plugins,
    Because I think the most important thing is to use your ears.

    The trick is to get good reverence tracks, and to get used too mix at certain audio level.
    that will stop you from battling equal loudness curve.

    Practically, your signal gets a high-passed. (depending on the woofers diameter, crossover point)
    that makes F# (46Hz) sound louder than A# (58Hz)

    and don't get me started on bass-ports, which essentially makes it a instrument
     
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  4. joem

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    compression?
     
  5. Lemmy

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    ah yes I see, I think it´s your room ( like other members already mention)
     
  6. Jim Von Gucci

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    Do you have Voxengo Span? I'm not in treated room but referencing using MetricAB and with Voxengo Span at the end of my chain while I've been learning mixing this last year has helped the most, that now what I'm making on my computer sounds the same as when I play it on my phone, car etc.
    Before when I played something I made in my car it would be totally different and usually horrible.
     
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    To check your room, use a sweep sine.
    And MOVE in your room.

    At REASONABLE volume :


    With headphones, it is LINEAR.
    In side ANY room (even the best), there will be volume HOLES at certain freqs.

    If at one place you get much LESS volume than another place, there is a frequency clash.
    And trust me : there are ALWAYS freq clash. Even in the best rooms.

    I had it in a room : roof height was the same than width.
    Horrible ... there were 15-18 dB HOLES and +3dB "bumps" in the lower mid/bass freqs
    Even bass traps couldn't solve it.
    I ended up mixing lower freqs with headphones and reference tracks.

    You can listen to some reference tracks too, and move : if there are still holes, it is your room.
    Listen from OUTSIDE your room, with open door or open window. You should hear less "holes".
     
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  8. Doctor_Me

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    Yeah, No Avenger have suggested me to do this test and now I can confirm that I have some issues in my low end, more like ressonances near 100hz and again near 200hz. Never heard about this test before but it's really effective and now that I know for a fact that I have issues I will not try to "fix what is not broken" in my mixes anymore. Really recommend doing this test, the better you know your room the better mix decisions you will make.

    PS. Tried to answer here before to kinda state that my issue was "solved" but wasn't being able to login (seems like a temporary issue on the site), so thanks to everybody who tried to help me here, you're awesome guys. :mates:
     
  9. GERBA

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    Sub frequencies are pretty tricky to tame in small rooms and even some headphones may be a tiny bit misleading.
    Your best bet is to actually trust your daw and observe the meters, and most of all use a VU meter to manage Bass energy.

    This technique changed all of my mixes :


    VU Meters for the win
     
  10. joem

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    with dance music in general you tame your mids and hi end around your sub easilly done with eq cuts for example i like to (this is just me ) cut around 100hz of mymid basses so they brethe between sub and kick i killoff 50 to 60hz on my kick for so it doesnt clash with my sub etc. Then and i know but in some instances its ok add some light clipping tomy sub soit stays dominant over my basses.Leveling wise about a db below or above my mid basses and around 3 db below my kick.
     
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