I like most of Paul's posts but I personally strongly disagree with this one.

 

And even then all the credit should go to her producers, not her.

 

Thank you @Herr Tony - that's really very gracious of you to say so! The cheque's in the post as agreed...

Until this thread, i hadn't really given any thought about this-year's 'it' girl and therefore most of my original post was founded on the deliberately provocative & highly duplicitous video that Billie (well, her 'people') had just thrown online... The video IS so myopically self-referencing (and misplaced) in the context of what's happening everywhere else in our disintegrating 'society' that for me no other conclusion seems possible. However, after following this thread through, i've had the opportunity to hear some of her other material and in the light of this i guess i must also note:

1. She's got a good voice.
2. She sports a solidly distinctive teenage look (dismissive prozac eyes, lime-green hair, permanent pout)
3. The song material in the main at least tries to be distinct & innovative.

...but in every other respect, she is, in real terms, absolutely no different from Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus and so forth since... like, forever - just another pretty ethemeral distraction for a multitude of socially naive young followers who really ought to be raging against the integral injustice of an inherently rigged system and NOT wasting their precious youth worrying about some haughty princess's entirely fictional problems. This of course sounds harsh, but i say it because i think it right that women be considered as nuanced individuals with their own unique personality & purpose i.e. not just interchangeable sex objects. Accordingly until last week, I, like many here i'd have thought, hadn't for a moment thought about Billie's tits or bits whatsoever... how ironic then that this self-styled 'progressive' youth icon then posts a 'statement' video, whose raison d'etre is to blame 'us' for doing precisely what we hadn't been doing until that moment...

Is this progressive culture? Hardly. So this is why (for me) Billie Eilish can only be just another dumb prick flogging sex as sass.

 

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She is OK says me -67 years now

 

That's a lot of very complex and sensitive topics.
To make it short what I think is in music (as well as in cinema and most show-business) good looks have always been too important. In any generation, today and 40 years ago. Men and women.
Probably more lately but proportional to the increase of the importance of the image in general.

PS. Good looks include some that aren't about selling sex. And some that actually make people look uglier, but if it's fashion/trendy...

That being said, I also completely disagree with some recent extremist feminist claims among other things.

 

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I completely disagree Xupito. I think Billie Eilish is both a radical feminist AND also trying to get exposure with selling sex / being radical for the sake of fame only.

 

I was only talking about her image. And of course polite disagreements like yours are always welcome.

Well, I agree in this. What I said is that most musics (stars) do that since a long time.

 

On a side technical note, this is not the inclusive language used by her millennial generation.
I don't have a vegan at hand but I bet instead of "sold sex in that gig" that would translate to "She released her Greatest Titz".
Sorry, I meant Hits. It's all @( . ) ( . ) 's fault...

 

i still love your comments even though we have several disagreements

 

That's how true friendship is born. It starts like this and ends with us ruling the world together...

 

When you do rule the world, please remember to be kind.

 

Of course. You're one of the first on the list of survivors.
You're welcome

 

Survivers?

 

Yeah, you know, that classic final step in taking over the world: kill all the enemies.
But in your case I think we'll even enlist you in the team. We need someone who can play an actual guitar. I mean, what's the joy in ruling the world without that.
I think my partner @Area51 will agree. Though we use to disagree

 

I disagree about your ability of taking over the world, and I can't play a guitar

 

I agree to disagree.
I also don't know what I'm talking about anymore

 

We don't need guitars anymore. We have Serum.

 

One thing we got right in the US is the ability to hear and implement changes from different points of view while maintaining the power that prevents different points of view from taking over and killing us all as in many other countries. God help us when we lose that.

 

Uh...

 

Ok, so maybe it took a lot historically before the recognition took place but there hasn't been any genocide yet.

edit: before this can get taken out of context this was a reply to Xupito's comment and not current events. We're talking about Billie's tits

 

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