Leave the Juce out of this.

 

Isn't juce made to make ports more easy... like, you type one single code, and juce almost automatically compiles it, and makes it available for vst2.4... vst3.... aax.... au... 32 bits.... 64bits.... etcetc

If I read correctly, there are a bunch of devs who use juce...
Isn't U-He one of them ?

 

Roli's f*cked. They know Osmose from Touche is gonna be the game changer when it comes out in the fall.

oh sorry *expressivee"

 

ooops, sorry, I'm wrong =/ it was mistake...
harvest build with oli larkin parts...

ok, I'm a looser sorry... I just can't remeber what plugin builded with juce was unstable...

hum... few weeks ago I installed some plugib and checked installed vst...
It had __Pace_Eden.bundle inside *.vst. but plugin don't using pace/iLok protection...

but I still can't understand one thing:
why you think that developers of the plugins (using juce) will replace protection of their pruducts with pace anti-piracy system? especially those that use juce only for gui? explain logically, because I do not see the connection...

 

lets make iLok juce for everyone ...seriously i think mostly are screwed, dont get why all great things end up in the hands of the most unwanted pearsons, why you guys given your succes to them you crazy ass bitches ...stop selling your soul for fame and money, get yourself toghether!

 

Who, me? I never said that it will happen, I said if it happens. But all change is gradual, nothing is going to change overnight, and I can't see anything forced by PACE. They can make it difficult to use a different copy protection scheme (possible) but most likely they will make it optional but very easily available within JUCE, greatly easing the barriers of implementing it. They could tie it to automatic updates for instance, not copy protection, just that PACE is available even if the plug-in is free.

Let me use a tangential example, on iOS there were solutions for social features for games (Crystal etc.) but very few developers used them because nobody bothered to sign up. Then comes Apple and makes Game Centre very easily available and brings their userbase and boom: now everything gaming related uses Game Centre on iOS.

Same thing with in-app purchases, there were 3rd party solutions available but they were hard (read: costly) to implement and the user uptake was slow. Then comes Apple, makes the iAP library available as part of the iOS SDK so it's very easily accessible to developers, they made it easy to implement and... boom, now everybody uses it.

Same thing here, not exactly "if you build it, they will come" but "if you make it easily available and make it hard to use something else, they will be forced to".

And oh, again, the amount of audio plug-in developers using JUCE just for GUI is 0%. I'm willing to bet on that.

I think I've said all I have to say on this topic, apologies for spamming the thread folks!

 

They decided to become a consumer friendly brand after launching Lumi keyboards.
Considering the pressure from board members and investors and millions of funding ROLI has acquired over the years, It's a strong business move IMO. If you watched other big companies like NI, Ableton and Avid (with Protools First) you get the idea that the whole industry is becoming more - for lack of a better word - dummy friendly.
There's an increased demand for music tech made for people who have no clue about music. They say that's the future. Music is becoming nothing more than temporary emotional support for teens and their Tik Tok memes.

I believe the point is to feed millions with tuna cans so they will want different flavors of tuna. Instead of motivating them to save up for a $1000 caviar dish. When you can re-introduce old tech with a new look and cheap price tag to a broader market, why bother about a niche group of professionals?

 

Where is the source for this? Nothing on Pace, Roli, or Juce websites about this...

Edit: Some info:
https://forum.juce.com/t/we-have-updated-the-juce-5-end-user-license-agreement/38939

 

@dkny A credible source:
https://www.musicradar.com/news/ilo...ires-the-juce-development-framework-from-roli

 

Apple did this for another reason. Security. You can't install any app on iphone/ipad (without jailbreak that use vulnerability to access root). Developers using Apple SDK because they are can't use anything else now. That's all.

It's not easy for me talking about this, english is foreign for me. and I don't wan't spend many time for this thread with translators...

pace can't make using other protection systems difficult. for many reasons. yes, they can make discount options for juce developers or other profitable offers, but option to use only their protection system is impossible.

and last... as legit user of many software protected with ilok I don't have any problems with these apps/plugins. to some extent, this can even be called a convenient solution. I don't need activate every program after installation or after os reinstalling with serial numbers, challenge/responses, key files etc. just log into my ilok account and press activate now button at first run. also I can use dongle on any computer (at studio or at study) and not be afraid that my license will be stolen or the developer will block my license. and I can resale my license to other user with license transfer option (not all software, but many of them).

the main thing is that this topic does not become the cause of those changes that you do not want. maybe the developers don’t even think about it, but after reading the posts they will find this a great solution

 

That's also very wrong. iOS security mandates what internal APIs you're allowed to access, not what libraries/SDKs you're allowed to use with your app. As said, 3rd party solutions existed before Apple's before GC or iAP. Or others, for audio routing (a low level operation you'd imagine) AudioBus happened way before the official Inter-App Audio.

Never said that they could (or even would) block other schemes if they choose this path. They can certainly hamper them and most likely make their own solution more desirable as I've already said.

That's nice and all but we're not talking about iLok here.

Developers are free to choose to use any scheme they want and I'm free to buy the ones that I want. But I'd rather not devs to implement schemes "just because it's there", most of the time it just wastes everybody's time. I'm mostly legit and I've had to pirate some things because I've run afoul of some activation limit and I can't reach support or a company has gone under.

 

Also, Roli just sold FXpansion's BFD to inMusic
Obviously they are having some financial issues or just cashing in in the mids of crisis

 

I can't understand 100% you want to say... but devs free to choose and use any scheme right now. and at this time some of them don't use pace's solutions or stoped use them. why after pace bought roli and their juce devs must change their opinion and start using ilok for their juce products?

activation limits - usual thing. only rare serial number protection without online check don't use it. and also watermarked software without any activation system. if a company has gone under - it doesn’t matter for the user what kind of protection is used =)))

ok, but...

 

Why do you keep repeating this? I'm not going to reiterate myself for the 5th time but I not once said that everybody would jump to the bandwagon immediately, or at all, _if_ such a thing happens.

Ok but what? What does @Polomo 's opinion have to do with what I've said?

 

Another that was called Juice that was truly great but got in the way of himself, thinking himself indestructible and above the rules of fairness and good.

O.J. while playing at USC.

 

it's high time AZ community buys PACE then

 

@phumb-reh because this started with his opinion and we talking this.

p.s. блять, видимо, проще мне на своём языке написать и пусть уже собеседник трахает себе мозг с переводом на язык, который ему понятен... я ему про одно говорю, он мне про совершенно другое что-то пишет. не получается диалог, короче.

 

Why does it matter? JUCE is opensource... or is it not?



Edit:Found that JUCE has other licenses available too.I think it's time to crack the Projucer

 

Last edited: Apr 22, 2020

Maybe if FL Studio switches to a dongle they'll finally start listening to customer feedback and requests instead of bitching about "piracy" anytime they don't have a real answer.

 

I (Khabib) am not a juicer, that is no.1 bullshit