I need help with figuring out scale & chords of a specific piece

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  1. Sillytune

    Sillytune Ultrasonic

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    I'm looking for any tips that can help me figure out scale & chords used in following part [5:26 Minutes, just the run/chords]


    Also, if you could help me figure out how to do it by myself for future projects that'd be great
    As in: Please do share tips that you use in order to figure out scales of a run in scores
    If you have any exp with deCODA software in general that'd be cool.

    Thanks!
     
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  3. odod

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    goes to Abm - F - C#m - Bb and goes t Abm .. slow it down and you'll hearn the run
     
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  4. Peter Klausener

    Peter Klausener Ultrasonic

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    Hi, there are several programs, that do a good job. As: deCoda and Studio One (Chord Track).
     
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    Some online services could be helpful. I have found some rare Crystal Method’s songs on https://chordu.com/
    Celemony Melodyne can decode as well
     
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    I'm not an expert but I've found several Zplane app/plugins similar to Melodyne.
    While technically Zplane's stuff is very good, Melodyne's integration with Studio One is a game-changer.

    I haven't managed to achieve the same DAW-Melodyne workflow with Reaper, I wonder if I'm missing something or it's just that the ARA standard is co-developed by both Celemony and Presonus so they have the upper hand even with other ARA compatible DAWs.
     
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    Let's say that all the programs available (like Decoda or Transcribe) are just an aid and complement to your ear, don't expect the'll find perfectly all chords and scales, not to speak of modulations, if ever.

    Here an old post that was dealing with your request (abandoned, mostly for laziness, I think - mine at least):
    https://audiosex.pro/threads/recreating-melody-by-ear.45195/

    I'll do my best, even if it's not much, to help you reaching your target, but you have to commit yourself to study a minimum of harmony theory.

    Moreover there are a lot of pro musician who can help, much better than me (hope so, at least).

    One note about the piece you required: usually cinematics does not stick to one only scale and there are frequent modulations, maybe it's not the best example to start with.
    I'm having a look in anyway.
     
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    Yes, I found the same. And It's also an example of straight modulations from the scales of the above chords.
     
  9. Sillytune

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    Thanks man!

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    My issue right now is just that i'm really bad at "decoding" runs haha
    It's much easier when i'm working on my own piece than when i'm doing a cover of something, which's why i'm sort of forcing covers these days
    In order to _git gudd_

    I just don't know how people do it - slowing it down and listening to it's i guess the answer
     
  10. kitvonk

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    if you "unmix" the track and get stems, you can run whatever's best thru melodyne and that helps give you better note data

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...tem-separation-software-12-month-subscription
     
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    what happened to all ears in here ??? ... lol, just saying .. i remember back in the old days ca2001 i got gigs .. 100songs .. need to memorized, they gave me a night before the gig, i ate them all on one night .. lucky it was only `top 40 playlist (I played the guitar though) .. NO APPS back then .. dammit :( .. and now sooo many tools we got
     
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    As I said, all slow downers programs and all the others chord/scales detectors are wonderful tools to help in transcribing.
    In past I listened over and over the same portion of tape / vinyl record to try to jot down melodies, but it was a pain in the ass, and of course no pitch/time stretch, only (speed) pitch control, it was not like using Traktor nowadays.

    However, if you don't want to push randomly keys until you find them, or ask to others, you need at least a basic musical theory knowledge.
     
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    Yes, of course, actually, I had even less tools (70's - 80's). A detuned piano (no way to fix it), HIFI with Akai quartz direct drive turntable and Yamaha deck. As a bonus, an original Sony Walkman II with battery expansion.

    And yes, I'm happy that we're in the digital domain now, all much easier to deal the musical stuff (and other too).
     
  16. itisntreal

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    early 2000's who cares about the key of the song it will change when you pitch it so wtf even old sony walkman's had pitchcontrol you only need a toothpick or lucifer to adjust it
     
  17. kitvonk

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    well, also, back then, all songs were just THREE CHORDS:rofl:
     
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  18. kitvonk

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    and you could kinda make up lyrics as you went along... *an albino... a mosquito..
     
  19. odod

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    no man, i think its different playlist... try through the fire, TOTO's stuffs, a bit Jazz stuff .. at that time we call everything TOP 40 here, from all genre :)
     
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    along those lines:
     
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    So what. Any device had a trimmer somewhere to tamper with.
    Wasn't it clear that you had to transcribe in original tempo, with no time stretch amenity?

    The first device that I had with time stretch (no real time) was in 95 a Roland sampler. I tested it, it took 20 minutes or so to stretch few seconds.

    And we're getting out of topic.
     
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