Bro, macs are pcs since '07 and Intel inside. The G5's cpu was made from IBM which made it not Win compatible. For Apple the G5 vs Pentium 4 and Pentium Dual core shortly after, was a poor performer and it actually was what made good ol' Stevie think different (pun intended) and secretly plan to side with the arch enemy Intel hehehe. If you can't beat 'em join 'em, that kind of thing. Add to the fact that they couldn't produce mobile G5s for laptops and it was a really smart move going Intel. Man, i won't forget the face of my cousin (eats with an Apple spoon lol) when Steve announced the Intel Macs. Everywhere in his home studio you could see the infamous "Intel outside" stickers. Needless to say he got so pissed he switched to pc lol. But i digress, that's how it went down, announced in '05 and released in '07 all macs with intel cpus are essentially pcs. One phrase says it all, it can run Windows.

The biggest advantage is more performance for less money.
Example:
Gigabyte Z390 Designare/i9-9900K +240 liquid AIO cooler/32gb DDR4 3200 = 900-950$. This makes a very good Hackintosh with TB3. Want more cores, go for an Asus x299 Prime II. This also works. Just remember, all these don't work out of the box. You don't just install macOs and you're done. You will need to tinker with the system in order to get the usbs and tb3 working. Some good info here too:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hackintosh/comments/bwjj73/a_laymans_guide_to_creating_a_custom_ssdt/
If money's tight you can get away with it even on low budget and still have a brand new machine with all the according relevant tech of now, without having to opt for a used older Mac.
You can upgrade hardware any time you feel like, given that it is somehow compatible with macOS.
Cheers

 

Yeech.

Im sure you're right but it sounds like a total drag. I love the idea that you you guys are making things work for you on the sly but for me its just a tool that someone else pays for. Generally it works and when it doesn't, someone else fixes it.

All power to you, dudes, but Im only interested in making the music to make the bucks. Sorry if that seems crass.

Peaceout.

 

It's nice when it's like that. I remember! And if I couldn't claim the tax back on my Mac tool, I would have gone Hackintosh waay back!
But I wasn't as successful as you were in the '80s! Uh, or even since then really! lol
And well done, btw! Good vibes.

 

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The G5's are a different chip set. That was before the Apple/Intel convergence so to speak... They were apples and oranges back then.

 

The G5 went up to 2015 no?

 

I forget when the G5's were first introduced, but as of 2006 or so, the MacBooks and whatnot were using intel chips, and the new series of cheese graters were as well.

 

thats why more creators use 2012 MBPros than anything newer made by apple.

 

I hear you alright, garfinkle too and i agree many peeps praise the 2012 MBP model. But as this is the way the world works, creativity and tech savviness don't necessarily come together in people. I could and would justify the persons claiming to not care much about the tech because they just wanna focus on making music. At first glance this argument is solid. At second thought though it falls short.
Claiming that "wearing blinders" to what's around will make people focus on the task at hand like a race horse, is diminishing for a human being. Fek it's even unworthy of a smart horse lol. Reminds me of this friend i had when we were much younger, he would sleep with any girl just as long as she was willing... Btw, too many peeps are like this so np, but a quick reality check implies:
Nothing can justify paying money for an 8 year old machine in 2020, especially a typical laptop of the time. The fact that the 2012 MBP is the last "real" pro laptop Apple made, therefore more convenient in connections & repairing than current models, doesn't change the fact that it's obsolete tech. Sure you can make music with it. You can also make music with a 22 year old imacG3 @ 233mhz/32mb ram/4gb hdd if you are experienced. Wtf my cousin made 2 albums on that one.
Therefore taking the easy way out because "this is what we know this is what we trust" doesn't make it nominal. It only makes one partially admit to like being a "cog" in someone else's well oiled machine. I would accept it and agreed if all ppl were just the perfect cog in this multi cultural "world machine", then we 'd have harmony. We don't though do we...
Cheers

 

well - first of all, MACs are full of problems, they are slow, they have all those annoying unnecessary Apple software, and they crash more often than any other PC.
worst part of it - Apple supports China.

so basically, what you get for buying a MAC is a big d##ck in your mouth. Lol

 

Sorry Buddy
Area51 had to disagree here

Don´t get me wrong
I´m not an Apple Fanboy
But these states are just not true

First

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_(Intel-based)#5th_generation:_Retina_iMac
9600K

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Pro
Xeon W-3265M
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+W-3265+@+2.70GHz&id=3541
(By the way 3rd stronges Intel CPU and 12th overall CPU)
Are still heavy hitters in terms of speed

Modern Macs got modern GPUs and RAM

Ok semi right - Same goes for Windows 10 (Games,Cortana) everyone can name here 1-2 which are unnecessary for them.
And still on my Raspberrian (Linux ) is some bloatware one it.

Ok can say no from my own experience with both systems .
Both Win and macOS are nearly uncrushable these days. (in 10000h I got 1-2 crashes on both ) and 4-5 freezes in Logic and reaper on Win 10.

Intel
Fab 68 Dalian, Liaoning, China 2010/2016 3DNAND, 3DXPoint[5][6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_sites

Headquarters Beitou District, Taipei,Taiwan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus

HeadquartersZhonghe, New Taipei, Taiwan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro-Star_International

AMD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD–Chinese_joint_venture

Sorry but who doesn't ...direct or indirect.

Conclusion:
You buy a highly overpriced but not per se bad Computer if you buy a MAC.
The OS is different for sure . Bad or not is still very subjective.

And on newer Hardware are more predetermined breaking points and planed Obsolescence
iPhone here but same on MacBook

and
repair is hard to impossible

 

I like chiming in randomly every once in a while....

In 2020, the solution is a PC and an audio interface.

IMO, a major reason why the MAC vs. PC debate began (within the audio world), was because PROTOOLS was only available for MAC until 1997, and then there were growing pains that went along with porting it to 1997 PC architecture at the time.

Not to mention, you needed Digidesign hardware to even run the damn program until "PROTOOLS Free" came along in early 2000s (that worked with any sound card, poorly IMO, and only had 8 tracks if I remember correctly), which I thought was a hot garbage version to try and lure you into buying a Digi 001, or TDM system.

Then came the AMD vs INTEL debate, where PROTOOLS only worked with INTEL processors (MAC & PC) so for your PC building options, AMD was out of the question....so, there was that...

Well, the debate is hard coded into our "audio community DNA" now, and to be honest, Sony, Capitol, Trident, Sunset, etc. studios will probably always stick with MAC, because, why change? But, when records are being made in a producer's finished basement studio these days, and many studios close up shop, and you can write, produce, mix, and master an album convincingly ITB, people are using PC because it's cheaper, modular, and way more backward compatible. Not to mention Steinberg's VST technology has come a hell of a long way (UAD too, but......fuck that).

This is all just my observation and opinion, but I don't see many people driving racks of AVID hardware anymore to make an album (what's an album?). 24-32 channels of good ADDA is more than you'll need for 95% of reasonable situations. Also, it seems like part of the goal now is to slim down your studio space as much as possible and feng shui the shit out of it. The biggest obstacle and focus should be room acoustics and monitoring, imo - not MAC vs. PC.

If you're a young producer and have no idea about what has occurred from 1997 to 2015 then you're in luck. Don't listen to anything that I just said and instead, - get a PC (build it yourself) and an RME interface and go have the best time of your life making the best feelings and memories and harmonies that you'll ever have with it!

It's amazing thinking and looking back to those days. We've come a long way since then ...........WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE STILL VSTi LATENCY ISSUES?????????

 

because Vienna Ensemble Pro is too complicated to set up for most people and ReaMote requires 2 licenses for each plugin;
seriously though, I can run entire orchestra through VEP and my main DAW rig can be 2012 MacBook Pro 13, no crackles at buffer 128

 

windows is underrated as hell, and as I said b4 - mac is too expensive and not worth it

 

that's not a very good point of argument/privillege right here IMO.
1. just because Apple is popular does not mean it should be considered as a quality product
2. you shouldn't be so judgeful towards other folks' opinions IMO.