@Olymoon my mod, This way of moderating is not fair.

You always defend MMJ's posts. Maybe because you summarize the music in jazz like him. I can swear you don't spend much time reading his posts completely. You just reply to the reports by jazz fans (I can guess who they are) and give warnings.

How many warnings have you given to MMJ? He's the one who always mocks others, misunderstands and attacks them but at the end he's the safe one here and others leave the forum.

For God's sake at least one time in your music career don't look at music from the Jazz glasses. Jazz will make you an unfair mod like MMJ.

 

My friend ,
I was not attacking you in any way .
You posted a comment which expressed no view.
( Listing random letters )
You can express any view you want.
I was trying to get you to express a view when you did that. Please articulate any view you want to .
If you have any problems with my comments you can say it .
If your comment was removed it was because you weren't expressing or defending or explaining .
( I'm not speaking for the mod , I'm just explaining that the entire time you are free to express any real position or view you have with no danger of having it removed .)
You say I mock others , misunderstand them and attack.
That is not what is happening.
I'm taking about information.
You are free to do that as well .
Nobody thinks badly of you or is angry or upset with you or against you .

 

Sorry MMJ, if I want to reply to your comment in a completely logical way, two things will happen:

1. You would consider it insufficient and also try to uphold your misapprehension by posting another one of your unmethodical responses full of questions submerged in strings of letters and Jazz chord progressions.
2. Dear Olymoon would raise the number of my warnings from one to two.

A very bad situation when you don't have a supportive mod on your side and ready to trigger his power buttons.

 

I'm not entirely sure what is being communicated there, but if you ever want me to clarify something .
I'm happy to answer you until it makes sense for you ( without judgment)

 

In the ongoing plagiarism dispute between the titans "Yahtrakifadrip versus Tranzigoflip"
A defence witness with a PhD in Plagiarism presented the following extracts from her mandatory literature review...

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I like bacon

 

You forgot about the third witness.

 

First of all, if you have a problem with moderation, you should send a pm instead of using a thread comment which have nothing to do with the thread itself.

But all you say is wrong because
- I have criticized MMJ and not softly, but I've used arguments related to the threads where I've done it.

- If you read MMJ's thread, you will see a lot of critics toward his methods and comments, so no, I don't "protect" him specially.

- writing half page of G# and so as you did, , cannot be considered other than useless and trolling.

So that's why you've got your warning, btw, you received only one warning point, instead of 2 which is the established scale in this case.

About me thinking other than jazz , hu? Sorry, you don't know my life...
I play and like all sort of music.

You are trying to justify writing half page of chords names, using arguments based on false information.

 

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Oly please let's be friends with each other and forget about the warnings. Warning is not a good thing for friends.

 

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In the spirit of the holiday season .

And then , check out these books Adam discusses.

 

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Oh, no ... Please.............

I beg you don't involve yourselves in micro-tonal. You already messed 12TET up, but at least leave micro-tonal to better ears...

 

Lager said
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You already messed 12TET up.... "


Could you describe what you mean by that ?
( But , only if you have the courage to describe what you think is wrong with anything. If you don't have the courage , please respond only in vague storytelling like descriptions which never point to anything specific to discuss ( it would be horrible to find out that what you thought was wrong , was only you misunderstanding how something worked.)

 

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The Dave Liebman intervallic improvisation at 05:57 in the second video is really great.

 

A few comments...

The videos...
[Video 1] Very nice introductory tour of tonality ideas. (Yahtrakifadrip should have watched it )
[Video 2] Nice commentary about why he likes the music theory books that he likes.

A glib comment...
"The stuff in the first video just sounded like my first band, but at least we panicked when we sounded like that"

A more helpful comment...
He said... "wouldn't it be nice if DAWs had facilities to help explore various tonalities"
Where I've been before in thinking more seriously about that... https://audiosex.pro/posts/415269/

 

If a person knows how to use Logic and Cubase in every function, they do have the capacity to explore different tonalities. In fact since the invention MIDI, the capacity has been there as well as with synthesisers. +100 or -100 cents for a start in microtonality can be done in MIDI.
While sometimes it may involve using a vst if you wish to go into the timbre path of tonality, and both mentioned come with some decent vst's, as does Ableton and ProTools and most of the newer DAW's - the built-in facility is there. It depends on how deeply a person wants to go.

EDIT: If you can get your hands on three-decade old (approx) rack-mounted YAMAHA TX81Z, it was a lot more powerful than people realized. You could stack multiple sounds, frequencies and microtonalities. The stacks could be in or out of tune with each other. They generated what some people called ' Artificial Digital Harmonics'. Digital, so a little lacking in warmth, but great for its price and for its time.

 

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I can't even stand on my own feet, let alone having courage ...

 

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Well, I agree, you can explore tonalities with tools like Logic,
(and I guess I can go from London to Moscow on a bicycle)
but...
If you want to 'efficiently' (and therefore maybe creatively) explore tonalities,
then 'the right specialised tools for the job' do start to matter.

I like Logic a lot. If I was forced to use only one DAW, I would choose Logic. I like the 'multiple views' approach that permeate it and I've always been impressed by how much you can customise it to fit your own requirements.
But consider this... Logic provides multiple different 'midi editing views' for very good reasons.
No-one would say, "oh you can do it all in the midi event list", or "you can do it all in the score editor", or "you can do it all in the piano roll editor". All of those statements would be true, but pointlessly limiting.
Each specialised tool provides significant value at at the right time and place.

Even with its really excellent customising capabilities, none of Logic's midi editors are going to give me same capabilities as the interesting beast shown below if I want to really explore and visualise microtonal scales. The right approach is to partner Logic with Hex, rather than 'just do it in Logic'.

See this page.. http://www.dynamictonality.com/hex.htm
Quote...
"Hex uses a lattice roll in place of the traditional piano roll. This enables unfamiliar microtonal scales to be intuitively visualized, and their tuning to be dynamically manipulated. The light buttons/lanes can be thought of as generalized "diatonic" notes, and the dark buttons/lanes as generalized "chromatic" notes."

 

The best two tools any musician has do not exist in any DAW.
They are their imagination and their ears. The rest (DAW's etc etc etc) are only extra tools that are a vehicle to help reach their full realization and potential.

 

I started young with daw in the 90s .( Cubase maybe
At the time I got down multiple instruments
Then wanted get used to sound design and synthesis.
, was developing mixing and engineering skills .
The daw was very helpful and useful in all those ways . But it took a long time before I got into music theory , musicology, music history .
I wish I had spent more time sooner on these first .
Then go into the daw stuff.
It's true that at first you really need to write and record and produce hundreds of songs to get the practice in and to start getting good.
But I wished I would have focused on music first instead just dinking around with timbre and song structures etc.
The truth is that developing a good understanding of music ( while learning instruments (
{ But still recording yourself to hear back with something like field recorder )
Before getting into the daw and production will develop you as a musician much faster ( in terms of years ). Of course we always says would have should have , but at least I eventually got more serious with music . Most people I know still think
" Toying around with sounds "
Is making music .
( You know plinking 1 note at time , and assembling little clips and snips at a time type thing. (
There's things that is never going to advance on its own. " Phrasing" for example ( arguably most important thing in music Creation )
Cannot be developed with that method of taking little bits at a time or adding 1 note to piano roll listening then adding another random note and listening .
There is a point to level up you need to think and understand the " larger scale " of music .
Not only the " micro scale " aspects like timbre .

The way a track or layer sounds { Timbre}
Is only icing in the cake.
You need to bake a great cake first
Before you have anything to decorate!

The craziness we go through in mixing and production engineering and mastering .
All that is only icing on the cake that's all it contributes
( You cannot polish a turd .)