What's your philosophy regarding " Music theory?"

Discussion in 'Education' started by MMJ2017, Dec 10, 2019.

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Is Music theory ( how music works) worth learning in your opinion?

  1. Yes

    81.1%
  2. No

    5.7%
  3. Possibly

    9.8%
  4. Whatchoo mean? ( No such thing as how music works ) Foo.

    3.3%
  1. MMJ2017

    MMJ2017 Audiosexual

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    The ones that get no views.
    (What capacity to help if no one even objectively seen it?)
    Compared to ones that are looking at it and reading there's a capacity to help. Which unviewed threads objectively cannot possess .
    That is the consideration which makes the number if views " not moot"
    You cannot be helped by that which you don't see.
    You can be helped by ones which you do read.
     
  2. Talmi

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    I didn't understand that sentence at all.
     
  3. 5teezo

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    Curiosity. But then I read some super illogical and incorrect posts that I couldn't just let slide. Then I received alerts.
    That's basically why.
     
  4. MMJ2017

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    That was a response to this comment my friend.
     
  5. MMJ2017

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    Really.
    If someone makes a thread that gets 50 views
    Then it can potentially help 50 people.
    ( The rest seen it didn't click

    If someone makes a thread with 5000 views
    Then it can potentially help 5000 people.

    You do get that nobody sees a thread title
    Thinks
    " Ooh that might have something possibly to help me it ,im not going to ever click on it "

    However if someone does read a thread the potential for being helped by that info raises up from zero percent
     
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    MMJ I can assure you I am most categorically not Ad heesive I think posting under aliases,as I strongly suspect you do hence your constant accusations that others do,is scurrilous,pointless,and absurd.If your self aggrandizing posts are not the result of mental illness which results in a lack of insight,then they are simply obnoxious apart from being riddled with obvious errors.You throw insults around like confetti at anyone who disagrees with you.You cannot accept that you may actually be wrong you are convinced of your own infallibility and the fact that you accuse me of being Ad heesive suggests to me that you suffer from a suspicious and paranoid mind.Also you fail to realise that neither I nor many other people have the time or inclination to post voluminous posts rebutting your "lessons" but I'm glad that Ad heesive took the time though to wrestle with a coal man will only result in getting you black.You have the option of simply ignoring me if you don't like what I am saying.You conflate number of posts with the value of said posts content,you have no way of knowing as you often reiterate that you bring revenue to these forums via ads or that people take any educational value from your attempts at unsolicited tuition.You take it upon yourself to post your"information" no one requests it from you.You should try to learn some humility. Remember if you don't like what I say in response to you use the ignore button it's as simple as that.
     
  7. 5teezo

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    But you already commented on it before. It's cool that you put all this effort into writing all these monologues but trust me: forums are the wrong place to teach people about music theory. Just create a YouTube channel. I bet there's lot's of people to reach and it's a way better media outlet to present and eleborate on the topic.
     
  8. Talmi

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    I think I got it. You say that unviewed thread cannot help, since no one sees them. And that's partialy true. But not my point, nor what I was talking about.
    It doesn't say that the ones viewed are viewed for the right reasons, as I've explained, nor that they are helpfull (as in of such quality that it will actually be effective in what it convays).
    I'm simply saying that. You're talking about numbers as a sign of quality, and it's not. The fact that a thread doesn't get viewed doesn't mean that it has no quality, nor that it can't be helpfull. It just says that it's not viewed.

    A quality thread that gets seen by 50 persons help 50 persons. A shitty thread viewed by a million persons will mislead a million persons.
    A bad movie seen a billion time is still bad. A bad piece of music heard by 12 billions persons still suck. And a quality piece of music heard only by its author, will still be a quality thingy.
    The number argument is moot. Get it ?

    All that isn't meant to be some kind of diss. But you take any contradiction quite poorly.
    Also you shouldn't care what others say about your content. If you value it, then just be proud of it, do your thing, etc.
     
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  9. MMJ2017

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    I gave you a chance , no it's ignore button time.
    Best of luck.

    Your just saying
    " You dumb dumb" you " ugly"
    I don't have time play games ad heesive .
     
  10. MMJ2017

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    I'm sorry if you took that as me thinking negative about you it wasn't my intention I was trying to show you something that we were having a conversation about .
    I thought at that point the conversation was still going at that time that's all my friend.
     
  11. Lager

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    Everyone contributing to this thread has the misbelieved illusion of has been trained in the best ways than others or has got the golden formula of music but guys, believe it as a fact that all of these are just dreams. Non of us knows anything other than some simple guidelines. Yes, even you jazz pianists.:wink:
     
  12. 5teezo

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    That's a pretty naive way of interpreting page hits like like talmis said. Page hits alone only tell "curiosity". But time spent on a site tell more about content quality. 5.000 Users can click on a link and with a matter of seconds they could be gone again. Not trying to discredit your effort, but if moste of them stay as long as it takes to read a post, that's relevant.
     
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    But that was what I was talking about when you responded to it .
    I can appreciate your point in that context also my friend.
    My point is the threads which never get viewed here help less objectively than ones that do .
    So the number of views has direct connection to how helpful they are .
    People click on what they like ignore what they don't. It's just that aspect that I mean my friend.
    I think I explained why the number argument is not moot.
    So are you saying no matter how many views a thread gets .
    Let's say

    Mmj creates a theory thread 1
    It's gets 50 views in 8 weeks .
    Mmj creates a theory thread 2 ( diff content)
    It gets 19000 views in 8 weeks.

    Are you saying mmj has no indication about the impact they made?
    No information about which is more helpful to the community?
     
  14. Trurl

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    I'm viewing this thread- like a car wreck... even the stuff I agree with is being rendered absurd. Frankly I agree with damn near all of it. It's just the way it's being presented is mind-numbing. Yet, strangely fascinating.
     
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  15. 5teezo

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    Word, to me it feels like walking by a crazy accident and the only thing I do is is just taking pictures or go live on twitch :D
     
  16. MMJ2017

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    Put it this way.
    I am a content creator here mmj.
    I can get information about how my threads do by the impact they have in views and ad placement in the comment boxes .
    ( In terms of potential help the viewer and potential help the thread )
    There is information there.
    If you believe a thread which gets 50 views and one that gets 73000 are the same .
    Then IDK lol
    I mean I can click on your name see number of likes and when you got here ,
    And anyone can do that with myself also.
    So don't tell me there's no information at all in these things lol
    Maybe if you don't make threads here there's no info for you .
    I use that as some amount. If info to adjust to try be more helpful the next time .
     
  17. Talmi

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    Humm.
    Reformulating stuffs doesn't change anything. Again. The quality threads that aren't viewed are more helpfull than the ones that are incorrect but gets viewed. You can't get help from an incorrect information.
    Thread A - with a title such as "The secrets to music theory" gets 8000 hits and formulate this rule :" music theory is crap so don't bother with it".
    Thread B - titled "A few tips" - gets 0 hits and says : "music theory can always be helpfull to compose a piece of music. No matter the era or the genre".
    Which is more helpfull, my friend ?
     
  18. MMJ2017

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    Yeah, but your just changing to a different consideration.
    The only one I made that you responded to
    Was that
    View numbers definitely matter .

    Put it this way

    If all mmj2017s threads got 1/20th of the views
    That's an indication of being worse in terms of helping.
    This is ridiculous to even speak about this lol
    I know you understand your messing with me lol

    If people read a nonsense thread they don't like
    They aren't going to go back the next 5 times from threads by that person in the future
    You can only get way with it once
    ( Bad information that gets lots views )
    Now a thread like this to me the poll part is where there's info . Not in the number of views
    I can't judge anything this thread by it's views .
     
  19. Talmi

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    No man.
    You're the one that just changed consideration. You went from numbers say that threads are HELPFULL, to just number MATTERS.
    So I'll say what I said intially and that still hasn't changed : numbers is a moot point to demonstrate that a thread is helpfull.

    Thanks for finally agreeing and for playing. :wink:
     
  20. MMJ2017

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    You messing with me ya bastid lol
    You know I never said " just" a day in my life.
    If you make 2 threads 1 gets 20 views the other gets
    74000 views there's information in that for you .
    You got me ya bastid ya( I thought you serious
     
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