No. Never think.

 

I know it's not exactly easy to get into this material especially when starting out , but this is just an entrance into how advanced music gets.
But keep in mind the rewards and possibilities
Are better now than ever if you push to get into advanced music .
You can write your own 300 instrument orchestras the skys the limit
Modern tech shouldn't be a crutch to do worse music than existed 300 years ago or 50 years ago
We should be using it to go beyond what has ever been accomplished .
Otherwise , why bother?
What, just do a more generic version of a generic song?
Nah.
I'd rather work at a gas station .

 

All kidding aside, in my mind theory and such (mostly) isn't for writing. It's for understanding and communicating about what you wrote to others.

 

Music theory is how anything written or will ever be written works. The inner workings of it.
But theory is actually a small portion of it
( Just highly important it can't be missing
It's like a house with no cement foundation no support beams.
)
Imagine hanging curtains on a 2x4 stuck in the mud with a campfire and a sofa on a rug in front


That's hip-hop, rock, metal, edm, pop

All decoration no meaning . No content.

It's like say a music visualizer is a motion picture film
It's not a visualizer just lines shapes colors changing over time no deeper level
It's shallow. No depth .1 dimensional

A movie or film is not about trangles and circles lines
Colors moving on the screen overtime.
It's about a deeper level story a hero defeating oppression .

And music is not pop corcorn sounds with oohs ahhs and laser beam sounds.
Music is not sounds that change overtime .
PS.
A snare drum does not sound like flicking a peice of paper with your finger!

 

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The writing, the composition, that's an ineffable process that occurs in your mind. The theory may be there in a sense, like mathematics is present in the drawing of a circle. But it doesn't make your composition. Its function, if it is to be made overt, is to allow you to write down your art, to communicate it (in a form other than a performance). It's like Newton's observance and codification of the workings of gravity, as opposed to simply the presence of gravity. I think you're talking about Newton's descriptions of physics, whereas we're just talking about the physics.

 

There's a difference between
The ways music works
And the language used to describe how music works
.
The music theory I talk about is not a description of what happens in 1 song.
The music theory I am describing is how all songs work . Music has a way itself works .
Most people strive to write a Melody.
I strive to write every possible melody for every possible chord.
It's own when you k ow every possibility can use compose in realtime what your feeling.
Just writing a song is not even .00001% of music itself
You have to know every possibility there is for the 12 notes .( To be fluent )
It's like out spoken language.
A 5 year old can say " a sentence"
A college graduate can say " most sentences "
Yes anyone can write a melody or riff
In that one moment for that song.
That's not making music though .
That's " goo goo gah gah "

Take Dmin7 G7 Cmaj6
And for 3 months straight come up with every melody

Then do that for 12 keys

Then start going through the progressions all songs are made from.
It will change you forever the way you hear things everything .

Most people ears are like VHS when they could be 4k

Take 7 note chord

CEGBDF#A

You know how much more dimensional this is then a triad CEG?
Or 5 note chord even CEGBD?

Try it.


Play this

DFACEGB/. GBDFG#A#C#D#/------- CEGBDF#A/ x2

 

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Music theory is the least part of music I focus on and yet without it have you ever heard a person
Who does not think much about theory play this?


DFACEGB/. GBDFAG#A#C#D#/. CEGBDF#A/ x2

How could someone reach this level accidentally ignoring theory?

 

I've never seen a 2 year old start giving a Harvard lecture.
In the same way , how many people that don't think about it even know theory use 6 note chords?
9 note chords?
No they don't play 5 Voicings per octave of 5 note chords
They play a generic version of Mary had a Little lamb with shiny sounds.
Theory is just to get you to the starting line.

 

Saying rock, metal, etc has no meaning and content tells me youre a pretentious snob troll who hasnt written or produced a song in life.

 

Yep! And I bet he won't do the one thing to prove you wrong. Post any single piece of music he, himself has produced. In fact, not only will he not do that, I'm sure he will deflect from your claim and use one of his schizophrenic, double accounts to pretend to admonish us for being "trolls".

Besides @jazzzz already proved that the OP doesn't grasp the fundamentals and can't spell chords correctly. And in his counter arguments, tries to liken the facts being presented to him, as personal beliefs or opinions. Even though he is the only one in the conversation using words like "I 'believe' this chord or that chord should do this or that."

 

why don't ban the music expert troll in the first place?

He obviously can't write a 2min song that sound nice otherwise no need to spend all the time here fighting for nothing.

not to mention he probably reply his own messages with different accounts to start the fire.
how boring is this behavior, the definition of trolling.

 

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Reminds me of when the composer Karlheinz Stockhausen told Aphex Twin to "listen to more of his music because he would then stop with all these post–African repetitions”.
Aphex Twin replied that Stockhausen should "listen to more Aphex Twin as then he’d stop making abstract random patterns you can’t dance to".

 

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Errr... like this

And like that too :D

And if those weren't enough, like this too:

 

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There's great aspects about those guys , I've always loved them since I was very young
But the " music " portion , nothing is happening really it's snoozfest.
The sounds are good the things they are doing are good I enjoy them but it's empty nothing is taking place .
I can prove it to you in 40 secs

Open up you daw on the piano roll
Create this 3 chord progression

DFACEGB 1 bar GBDFG#A#C#D# 1 bar

CEGBDF#A 2 bars.

 

I need YOU to validate my music because?.........

Your the one coming here
And not showing that you can do anything.

Give me a link to a thread of yours with 60,000 views. Or show me that hundreds people have spoken with you about what you've helped them with shared with them.
Your the one that needs to prove to me something .
If I hit ignore button on you , your entire existence disappears to me and I go on to speak with 5000 more individuals with values of
Integrity
Honor
Respect.

I have demonstrated that I have value to give....
Your turn.

 

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Oh , boo hoo you caw me names


Show me a rock or metal song with this quality
Of music inside of it.

Listen to the whole thing.


How can I be pretentious ?
I've given you yourself
Information to make music better than any Rock or metal that's existed .
( Read this thread from the top through)
I'm not saying the sounds of the instruments or the beats or melody of rock and metal are bad.
I'm saying the music portion his horribly ridiculous

You see music has 3 dimensions .
Harmony
Rhythm
Melody

Rock and metal only have rhythm
And sometimes melody .
( Besides a few rare cases like "YES" (

It's not what rock and metal have in it's that's bad, it's what they leave out.
It's just a drum beat and filler nothing happening.

You call me pretentious and don't know my name or anything about me yet I have shared with you more musical information then any books you have.
If I was pretentious ,

Instead of developing knowledge ability and sharing it anonymously,
I would not focus anything on deveping musical knowledge .
Instead I would make a bunch photo shoots with my name on it and try sell a bunch things to make money ( even though I didnt know squat about music.)
And make it all about Fame seeking and popularity
And being a celebrity .

That's pretentious.
My actions are the opposite .

Rock and metal worship pretentiousness

The music is removed and selling a lottery dream
If your headshots are good you have white enough teef, and can strum 1 chord for 6 hours wiggle your hips. And make sure to pretend your better regular person a " star"
( Too bad it's the kind of celebrity that can't even play Mary had a Little lamb on their instrument )
The whole things garbage

Is Ozzy Osbourne is the same caliber as Albert Einstein?
( I grew up loving rock and metal and after years I realized and found out it was just trash garbage )
You been scammed by rock and metal into believing
It is anything at all.
It's just selling beer drinking sounds.
Playing around with 1 or 2 chords getting drunk learning nothing .objectifying women like their just an object. Sorry it's true I had to find out we all eventually find out what these modern " genres"
Really are eventually.
I mean really go watch 15 chamber music concerts .
And then tell me you think
A kids throwing hoops against his garage door is the same thing as professional basketball.
We all know a movie isn't " making a selfie video from your phone" that's not a motion picture film.
A Dr isn't someone who wears a white jacket and stethoscope around their neck .( Simply because they purchased those items.(
Rock and metal ( and their not only genres sorry to say)
Are imposters.
It's just people that bought instruments hang out drinking beer clanging making noises.
It's exactly like the noize genres..
None of that is even music .

It's pretentious game seeking to bang whores and make money.

 

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Show a single rock or metal anything
On this level of music quality.